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Politically Correct?

Am I being politically correct in the example given?


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Orient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In contemporary English, Oriental usually refers to things from the parts of East Asia traditionally occupied by East Asians and most Central Asians and Southeast Asians racially categorized as "Mongoloid". This excludes Indians, Arabs, most other West Asian peoples. Because of historical discrimination against Chinese and Japanese, in some parts of the United States, the term is considered derogatory; for example, Washington state prohibits use of the word "Oriental" in legislation and government documentation, preferring the word "Asian" instead.[


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How many of you really hate PC but feel forced to conform or be an outcast?

I used to hate it but now I don't care. Being PC is really about being put on the defensive by offensive people that are overly sensitive about words and terms, for the most part. African American? Black? Black American? I have three friends that just about want to punch you if you use the wrong term for them... and then you have the ones that call each other nigger. Go figure...
 
Orient - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In contemporary English, Oriental usually refers to things from the parts of East Asia traditionally occupied by East Asians and most Central Asians and Southeast Asians racially categorized as "Mongoloid". This excludes Indians, Arabs, most other West Asian peoples. Because of historical discrimination against Chinese and Japanese, in some parts of the United States, the term is considered derogatory; for example, Washington state prohibits use of the word "Oriental" in legislation and government documentation, preferring the word "Asian" instead.[


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In Latin, "Orient" literally means East. So what are people so upset about? Nothing, really.

I used to hate it but now I don't care. Being PC is really about being put on the defensive by offensive people that are overly sensitive about words and terms, for the most part. African American? Black? Black American? I have three friends that just about want to punch you if you use the wrong term for them... and then you have the ones that call each other nigger. Go figure...

I still remember this popular t shirt that said: "It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand." I guess it's the same concept. :shrug:
 
I used to hate it but now I don't care.

This is pretty much how I feel now. It's all turned into a bunch of back slapping, feel good, smiley nonsense. Of all the serious problems in life I don't put much thought into using the proper terms anymore. I don't even really understand the whole thing anyway, except I have experienced discrimination and that just pisses you off because it's unfair.
 
How many of you really hate PC but feel forced to conform or be an outcast?

I've never felt forced to conform to anything, let alone political correctness.

If I conform to something, it's going to be because I choose to conform. If I am an outcast, it is also my choice. If I ever become afraid to make a choice becasue I don't want to face the consequences of my decision, I've already lost the game of life.
 
How many of you really hate PC but feel forced to conform or be an outcast?
I don't feel forced to conform to political correctness anymore than I feel forced to conform to the vehemently anti-PC crowd. Both groups try to control what other people say and mock those who choose to speak in ways that they deem either inappropriate or silly. Nonetheless, I'm fully capable of choosing my own language according to what I want to communicate and to the audience that I'm interesting in reaching. I grew out of being afraid of being an outcast in high school.
 
In Latin, "Orient" literally means East. So what are people so upset about? Nothing, really.



I still remember this popular t shirt that said: "It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand." I guess it's the same concept. :shrug:


evanescense in fact some westerners' impressions of turks are not true.yes orient or oriental or east dont matter for me but unless they use this term to call us ' easterner' .for instance harem was a place where no stranger was let in and nobody could have a possibility to sight the harem.,but many painters had made this kind of paintings which reflect our society as very erotic .ı mean sometimes orientalism is what some westerners want to think about us..
 
I used to hate it but now I don't care. Being PC is really about being put on the defensive by offensive people that are overly sensitive about words and terms, for the most part. African American? Black? Black American? I have three friends that just about want to punch you if you use the wrong term for them... and then you have the ones that call each other nigger. Go figure...

There's nothing funnier than wingnuts whine "They use the n-word so why can't I???"

Seinfeld covered the issue pretty well in the episode when his dentist converts to Judaism just so he could tell Jewish jokes
 
I've never felt forced to conform to anything, let alone political correctness.

If I conform to something, it's going to be because I choose to conform. If I am an outcast, it is also my choice. If I ever become afraid to make a choice becasue I don't want to face the consequences of my decision, I've already lost the game of life.

I don't feel forced to conform to political correctness anymore than I feel forced to conform to the vehemently anti-PC crowd. Both groups try to control what other people say and mock those who choose to speak in ways that they deem either inappropriate or silly. Nonetheless, I'm fully capable of choosing my own language according to what I want to communicate and to the audience that I'm interesting in reaching. I grew out of being afraid of being an outcast in high school.

You'd be surprised how much we all conform and don't even realize it, unless you live in a vacuum. I guarantee very few if any openly say the bigoted words that were acceptable or rarely challenged in my youth (way back). Women were barefooted, pregnant, in the kitchen and didn't mess in men's business and most minorities were addressed with racial slurs. It was a dominant Caucasian, male society and they all conformed since the 70's or ended up in fights on a daily basis or lost their jobs. I don't say certain words simply because I don't want a bunch of crap or problems over it. And truthfully I try to be socially polite to a certain point because I appreciate it in return. Though I agree about one thing you can control the amount you "conform" mentally by avoiding and not addressing the issues that the PC crowd are so sensitive too. I do not talk about the things that make people "touchy" not because I don't agree but because it's annoyingly unimportant IMO.
 
You'd be surprised how much we all conform and don't even realize it, unless you live in a vacuum.
I didn't say I don't conform. I said I don't feel forced to conform and that I choose my own behavior rather than giving into pressure.

I guarantee very few if any openly say the bigoted words that were acceptable or rarely challenged in my youth (way back). Women were barefooted, pregnant, in the kitchen and didn't mess in men's business and most minorities were addressed with racial slurs. It was a dominant Caucasian, male society and they all conformed since the 70's or ended up in fights on a daily basis or lost their jobs. I don't say certain words simply because I don't want a bunch of crap or problems over it. And truthfully I try to be socially polite to a certain point because I appreciate it in return.
As far as this applies to me, my reasons for not saying the bigoted words and phrases you're talking about is because I have no interest in saying them anymore than I have an interest in speaking French everyday. It has nothing to do with conformity.

Though I agree about one thing you can control the amount you "conform" mentally by avoiding and not addressing the issues that the PC crowd are so sensitive too. I do not talk about the things that make people "touchy" not because I don't agree but because it's annoyingly unimportant IMO.
I want to reiterate a point I made in the post you quoted that I don't feel anymore forced to conform by the PC crowd than I do the anti-PC crowd. You seem intent on focusing only on the former as if they are the only ones who are "sensitive" and "touchy". In fact, the anti-PC crowd is just as sensitive and forceful since they too complain about how people speak and try to control other people's behavior. The groups are just two sides of the same coin.
 
I didn't say I don't conform. I said I don't feel forced to conform and that I choose my own behavior rather than giving into pressure.

As far as this applies to me, my reasons for not saying the bigoted words and phrases you're talking about is because I have no interest in saying them anymore than I have an interest in speaking French everyday. It has nothing to do with conformity.

I want to reiterate a point I made in the post you quoted that I don't feel anymore forced to conform by the PC crowd than I do the anti-PC crowd. You seem intent on focusing only on the former as if they are the only ones who are "sensitive" and "touchy". In fact, the anti-PC crowd is just as sensitive and forceful since they too complain about how people speak and try to control other people's behavior. The groups are just two sides of the same coin.

You're making too absolute and broad a statement. I won't presume to know what's in your head but to say you're an unadulterated original that has never felt forced to conform one iota is either disingenuous or unrealistic. There are too many examples of social interaction that usually include some form of coerced conformity it's called compromise. From school, military, employment to dating we all give in sometimes with few if any exceptions. OK I get it an anti-PC crowd by definition would be another PC crowd and you and I are from the Original crowd :2wave:
 
You're making too absolute and broad a statement. I won't presume to know what's in your head but to say you're an unadulterated original that has never felt forced to conform one iota is either disingenuous or unrealistic.

You're just twisting my words again which means you have one more chance before you're out.

I never said that I'm "an unadulterated original that has never felt forced to conform". I said "I don't feel forced to conform" and "I haven't since high school (more likely early college though)". First, I wouldn't call myself original because there a lot of people like me. Second, I said, "I don't". I didn't say, "I never" which you decided to distort my words into. So yes the argument that you imagined I made would be disingenuous and unrealistic so it's a good thing I didn't make it.

There are too many examples of social interaction that usually include some form of coerced conformity it's called compromise. From school, military, employment to dating we all give in sometimes with few if any exceptions.
And again, I never said that I don't conform. In fact, I said that I do conform when I choose to do so.

/waiting to see if you'll actually address my words instead of distorting them
 
You're just twisting my words again which means you have one more chance before you're out.

I never said that I'm "an unadulterated original that has never felt forced to conform". I said "I don't feel forced to conform" and "I haven't since high school (more likely early college though)". First, I wouldn't call myself original because there a lot of people like me. Second, I said, "I don't". I didn't say, "I never" which you decided to distort my words into. So yes the argument that you imagined I made would be disingenuous and unrealistic so it's a good thing I didn't make it.


And again, I never said that I don't conform. In fact, I said that I do conform when I choose to do so.

/waiting to see if you'll actually address my words instead of distorting them

:lamo You're literally hurting my head but at least it's fun! Ok, what was the original point you're making? Oh that's right you don't feel forced to conform or be an outcast. Really I'm not trying to twist your words so much as understand your position on PC. I think when you say "I don't feel forced to conform and haven't since high school" is what you believe but it's possible that you have in some form and not been completely aware that you were bending? I don't think you mean an absolute to every conceivable situation. I remember a song by the group Rush called "Subdivisions" that sort of addressed this topic, so I'm not alone in my presumption. And actually we're all an original as far as being unique really hope there aren't two of me. But I think PC or anti-PC is worse than anytime I remember in the past and I'm not much of a fan.
 
You'd be surprised how much we all conform and don't even realize it, unless you live in a vacuum.

You seem to misunderstand. I never said I don't confrom. I said that when I do conform, I do so by choice. HUGE difference.

I guarantee very few if any openly say the bigoted words that were acceptable or rarely challenged in my youth (way back). Women were barefooted, pregnant, in the kitchen and didn't mess in men's business and most minorities were addressed with racial slurs.

If they don't say the words, they make that choice. If they want to say the words, but feel as though they will be outcasts for doing so thus abstain form using those words, then they are just cowards. :shrug:

It was a dominant Caucasian, male society and they all conformed since the 70's or ended up in fights on a daily basis or lost their jobs.

If they conformed despite their desire to not conform because non-conformity had consequences they didn't like, then they are cowards who chose to act like cowards. Simple as that.

If they chose to conform because they figured conformity was superior to non-conformity and have no problem with their choice to conform, then they again,m made th echoice to conform.

Nobody forced them to do anything in either scenario.

Even if they lost their job by their non-conformity, that would simply be their employers' exercising their rights.

Choices have consequences.

I don't say certain words simply because I don't want a bunch of crap or problems over it. And truthfully I try to be socially polite to a certain point because I appreciate it in return.

So you chose to conform. What's the problem? Are you regretting your choice?

Though I agree about one thing you can control the amount you "conform" mentally by avoiding and not addressing the issues that the PC crowd are so sensitive too. I do not talk about the things that make people "touchy" not because I don't agree but because it's annoyingly unimportant IMO.

You choose to conform or you choose to not conform. Nobody forces anyone to conform. That's just victim-mentality nonsense.
 
...but to say you're an unadulterated original that has never felt forced to conform one iota is either disingenuous or unrealistic.

That's simply false. I have never felt forced to conform for the simple fact that I am not a coward who fears the ramifications of my choices. Only a coward who would rather play the victim instead of facing reality would feel "forced" to conform to societies norms. If you were to rephrase your comments to say "pressured" rather than "forced" there would be some truth to them, but since you have chosen to use the word "force" they are completely false.
 
You are not being "politically correct" unless you are making an effort to not offend, IMO. Otherwise you are just correct.

The alternative to being politically correct is being an asshole (or ignorant). I know which I would rather be.
 
:lamo You're literally hurting my head but at least it's fun! Ok, what was the original point you're making? Oh that's right you don't feel forced to conform or be an outcast. Really I'm not trying to twist your words so much as understand your position on PC. I think when you say "I don't feel forced to conform and haven't since high school" is what you believe but it's possible that you have in some form and not been completely aware that you were bending? I don't think you mean an absolute to every conceivable situation. I remember a song by the group Rush called "Subdivisions" that sort of addressed this topic, so I'm not alone in my presumption. And actually we're all an original as far as being unique really hope there aren't two of me. But I think PC or anti-PC is worse than anytime I remember in the past and I'm not much of a fan.
I'm quite aware of my actions and my choices and of the people around me. Like I said, I don't feel forced to conform. I choose my behavior.
 
I still remember this popular t shirt that said: "It's a black thing. You wouldn't understand." I guess it's the same concept. :shrug:

I am sure that is correct. I think that it really all boils down to intent.
 
This is pretty much how I feel now. It's all turned into a bunch of back slapping, feel good, smiley nonsense. Of all the serious problems in life I don't put much thought into using the proper terms anymore. I don't even really understand the whole thing anyway, except I have experienced discrimination and that just pisses you off because it's unfair.

It is just about people being upset about labels that describe them being mainstreamed in a negative way... and that is the problem. That will never change. You call a guy you don't respect a retard... then it is special needs... then it is mentally handicapped... it is already an insult to use the most modern term mentally challenged. What is next?

...and I am not sure what you meant by the part from "except" on...
 
That's simply false. I have never felt forced to conform for the simple fact that I am not a coward who fears the ramifications of my choices. Only a coward who would rather play the victim instead of facing reality would feel "forced" to conform to societies norms. If you were to rephrase your comments to say "pressured" rather than "forced" there would be some truth to them, but since you have chosen to use the word "force" they are completely false.

I agree with you and TPD but his point has some merit, just not a really valid one. We conform subconsciously in little ways and much of it is kinda brain washed into us. Standing in line at the bank. I doubt any of us have a sound and logical thought process about it. We see the line and get in it. Who says, every time they enter into the bank, I am making a conscious choice to stand in line knowing that I could walk to the front or stand outside the rope and still expect others to know and respoect my place in line, etc etc. Regarding the point of being politically correct though, and not being afraid to voice our thoughts, I agree with you guys... I do. I really do agree. Please will you be my friend again?
 
It is just about people being upset about labels that describe them being mainstreamed in a negative way... and that is the problem. That will never change. You call a guy you don't respect a retard... then it is special needs... then it is mentally handicapped... it is already an insult to use the most modern term mentally challenged. What is next?

...and I am not sure what you meant by the part from "except" on...

"except" differs in name calling from actual discriminating actions. I couldn't get work because of those factors and felt it was unfair. But words unlike sticks and stones don't hurt as much.
 
"except" differs in name calling from actual discriminating actions. I couldn't get work because of those factors and felt it was unfair. But words unlike sticks and stones don't hurt as much.

Oh... gotchya. I thought you were talking to me with this part, "just pisses you off because it's unfair" and it seemed strange. You were talking about you and "in general". It WOULD piss (you, me, people) off since it is unfair.
 
Standing in line at the bank. I doubt any of us have a sound and logical thought process about it. We see the line and get in it. Who says, every time they enter into the bank, I am making a conscious choice to stand in line knowing that I could walk to the front or stand outside the rope and still expect others to know and respoect my place in line, etc etc.

People don't need conscious sound and logical thought processes in order to engage in choice making. In fact, very few people do engage in sound, logical thinking prior to making choices. That doesn't mean they aren't making choices, though. It just means they aren't fully aware of their thought processes.
 
People don't need conscious sound and logical thought processes in order to engage in choice making. In fact, very few people do engage in sound, logical thinking prior to making choices. That doesn't mean they aren't making choices, though. It just means they aren't fully aware of their thought processes.

Yeah... but that is conforming. I might have muddled what I was saying. Choice and conforming can go hand in hand.
 
Yeah... but that is conforming. I might have muddled what I was saying. Choice and conforming can go hand in hand.

Yes, it's making the choice to conform. People are always making a choice to conform because there is always the non-conforming alternative option. Everyone is aware that an alternative exists, even if they don't feel that it is a viable option.

Even the act of conforming to laws is a choice. I am conforming to societies rules right now by not murdering anyone. I am making the choice to not murder, even if it is not a conscious choice. I could easily step outside of my house, knock on my neighbor's door and kill him, if I was so inclined. Nobody is forcing me not to.

Will there be ramifications for me if I make the choice to kill my neighbor? Absolutely, and rightfully so. I could lose my freedom, or even my own life for making such a choice. But the choice exists. The existence of ramifications for a non-conformist choice is not the same thing as forcing someone to make the conforming choice. Every single time someone engages in a non-conformist behavior they prove this to be true.

I realized this 25 years ago in grade school. Teachers told me that I had to do my homework. I did not want to do my homework, though. At first, I whined about how unfair it was that I had to conform or be punished, but one day I realized that their punishment really meant nothing to me. So I'd get bad grades. Big deal. I didn't care if I got bad grades for something as silly as not doing my homework. I felt that acing the tests was all that I should have to do, and if they disagreed, then they disagreed. So be it.

The key is that I learned that there is really no such thing as reward or punishment when it comes to conformity or non-conformity. There are only choices and the results of those choices.

Using my school example: I was faced with the choice to not do my homework or the choice to receive passing grades. Ultimately, I based my choice on which of the two I wanted more. In my case, I wanted to not do my homework more than I wanted passing grades. That was the choice I made.

With Political Correctness, the same is true. We have to weigh our options of speaking freely without worrying about what anyone thinks or not being ostracized. We choose which one of those things we value more and make our choice based on that.

With murder, it's the same thing. We weigh our desire of being able to murder someone else against our desire to not risk life in prison or the death penalty.

In each case, if our desire to not conform outweighs our desire to have the "positive outcomes" of conformity, we will choose the path of non-conformity. If our desire to not conform doesn't outweigh our desire for the 'positive outcomes' of conformity, we will choose the path of conformity.

No matter what, we are choosing the path with the outcomes that we desire most. To claim that we are forced to make a certain decision is to ignore the fact that we are choosing our preferred path. Whenever we have the balls to face the negative outcomes of non-conformity, we take the path of non-conformity. When we don't have the balls to face those negative outcomes, we don't.

Most of the time, these choices are so automatic that we aren't even consciously aware of them. What this actually means is that our desire to engage in the non-conforming behavior is so low that it doesn't even register consciously. For example, I am not having difficulty choosing to not kill someone right now because I have absolutely no desire to kill someone right now. My desire to remain free and alive, though, remains quite high. Therefore, no conscious debate is occurring within me right now because it is such a blow-out victory for conformity that it occurs entirely within my sub-conscious. That, and the fact that conforming behavior is also a default state which requires absolutely no effort to achieve.

But let's use a PC example. I don't use the word "nigger" most of the time because my desire to use the word is usually very, very low, while my desire to receive the positive outcomes of not using that word are usually fairly high.

But I just used that word above because my desire to use it in that context was very high (because actually using it instead of sugarcoating it allowed me to illustrate my point very effectively), while my desire to receive the positive outcomes of not using that word was lower than usual. (This is because I considered making the point more important).

If I am ostracized for using that word, then so be it. I do not fear the possible outcomes of my choice. Obviously my desire to not conform was higher than my desire for the positive outcomes of conformity, in this case.

Ultimately, that is my point. I don't feel that someone who doesn't have the balls to face the consequences of non-conformity has legitimate grounds to be non-conformist. Being a true non-conformist requires courage. Those who are too cowardly to put themselves out there have no business even entertaining the idea of non-conformity.
 
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