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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I see you left out the operative word "feel" in my quote when interpreted correctly means impressed upon. Are you being dense on purpose? I guess if I said "do you ever feel like you're losing your mind" you'd expect me go out looking for it? Come on now get a grip. Ooops you don't want one of those

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    I didn't leave it out on purpose as in my earlier responses to you I explicitly said, "I don't FEEL forced to conform". Since you apparently can't understand my incredibly clear comments, I'll post someone else's incredibly clear comments in hope that you'll understand those instead.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    That's simply false. I have never felt forced to conform for the simple fact that I am not a coward who fears the ramifications of my choices. Only a coward who would rather play the victim instead of facing reality would feel "forced" to conform to societies norms. If you were to rephrase your comments to say "pressured" rather than "forced" there would be some truth to them, but since you have chosen to use the word "force" they are completely false.
    Moreover, my problem with your comments was not just mere "semantics" or some ****. You literally twisted my words when you criticized me for arguing that I "don't conform" when I actually never argued that. It's a shame that you start blaming others for your misinterpretation and word choice just because some attention whore comes in here and makes comments about a conversation she wasn't involved in.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't leave it out on purpose as in my earlier responses to you I explicitly said, "I don't FEEL forced to conform". Since you apparently can't understand my incredibly clear comments, I'll post someone else's incredibly clear comments in hope that you'll understand those instead.



    Moreover, my problem with your comments was not just mere "semantics" or some ****. You literally twisted my words when you criticized me for arguing that I "don't conform" when I actually never argued that. It's a shame that you start blaming others for your misinterpretation and word choice just because some attention whore comes in here and makes comments about a conversation she wasn't involved in.
    But the word "pressure" literally means to exert force, so where's the difference. Listen, I know what you meant by "I don't feel forced to conform" being that others don't pressure you into your decisions. I'll will agree with that statement and show you the same courtesy given me.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    But the word "pressure" literally means to exert force, so where's the difference. Listen, I know what you meant by "I don't feel forced to conform" being that others don't pressure you into your decisions. I'll will agree with that statement and show you the same courtesy given me.
    Typically, though, pressure only means to apply force when it is used in the physical sense like "He applied pressure to the femoral artery after the accident to control the bleeding."

    when used is a social context such as this, it usually means something more along the lines of peer pressure, which has more to do with wanting to belong than actual "force" (which would mean coercion by way of threatening harm of some sort). In that context, no force is exerted. It's actually an internal desire to fit in that influences the choices.

    Clarifying what you meant by "force" was absolutely necessary because the meaning you chose was a less commonly used meaning for that context, and some would say it was actually inappropriate for that context. Since we know that you now meant something along the lines of pressure, instead of force, we can move forward about that concept more clearly.

    I don't disagree with the idea that there is pressure to conform, but I would argue that the pressure is primarily self-imposed.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Typically, though, pressure only means to apply force when it is used in the physical sense like "He applied pressure to the femoral artery after the accident to control the bleeding."

    when used is a social context such as this, it usually means something more along the lines of peer pressure, which has more to do with wanting to belong than actual "force" (which would mean coercion by way of threatening harm of some sort). In that context, no force is exerted. It's actually an internal desire to fit in that influences the choices.

    Clarifying what you meant by "force" was absolutely necessary because the meaning you chose was a less commonly used meaning for that context, and some would say it was actually inappropriate for that context. Since we know that you now meant something along the lines of pressure, instead of force, we can move forward about that concept more clearly.

    I don't disagree with the idea that there is pressure to conform, but I would argue that the pressure is primarily self-imposed.
    Let's look at the statement again because I kind of stand by my explanation to tpd.

    How many of you really hate PC but feel forced to conform or be an outcast?
    It doesn't say just "forced to conform or be an outcast". It says feel. Meaning from my interpretation do you ever feel it's an either or situation. Now I'm not talking about "written rule or law" breaking.
    Example,, I don't like texting on smart phones but if I ever wanted to communicate this way back and forth with my niece I'd have to get a smart phone and text. So in this instance using a cell phone for texting in my perception is a form of PC or acceptance of a doofy fad. And to communicate with my niece in this method I would "feel" forced to conform, not merely pressured because I don't have a text phone. Have I conformed? Not yet I am an outcast but I may eventually should I see the need or desire. This was not the best example but it was what I meant.

    I also wasn't allowed to smoke on the hospital grounds when I went to see a sick relative. Now it was their rule but while in my car I'm actually on my property and even the law recognizes that in search and seizure. So again I felt forced to not smoke or be an outcast from the hospital. PC IMO is a public stressor to conform to social standards based on popularity, rather than having any appeal grounded in common sense or law. I think we all have a flexible and superficial layer of our personality reserved for the sake of social charm to interact. And I don't think it means we've succumbed to PC nonsense it's simply trying to be reasonable with others but when it erodes into our freedom of choice we'll resist.
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    Re: Politically Correct?

    I've heard the word pressure used more in the figurative sense of "the pressure to perform is incredible", than say the physical force "the air pressure in the tire is correct".

    I don't disagree with the idea that there is pressure to conform, but I would argue that the pressure is primarily self-imposed.
    Of course the pressure is primarily self-imposed but the source of internal pressure is generated mainly from outside of one's self.

    Anyway, you're being too precise and cerebral about this.. my dad use to say too me "get my drift!" Now if I would of started parsing out his words, like does "drift" mean move sideways or floating in an undirected course or manner he would've slapped my mouth with the old Missouri soup bone. Then probably said, "how'd that float for ya"? You're tearing something simple apart and too open to interpretation in order to disprove it but not really making a strong, credible point based on common phraseology. I think most people would understand the statement and say "yeah, society does want you to run with a pack or suffer isolation and exclusion".

    This is like the story of my super educated friend who overlooked the obvious and got lost in the details. And similar to what evanescence pointed out this is too simple a statement to turn the word "force" into a farce like Clinton's the meaning of "is, is". No matter how much you try and make it into a word salad exercise the overall meaning of my statement would be accepted probably more than not. You can hammer at this ad nauseam and I won't agree.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Let's look at the statement again because I kind of stand by my explanation to tpd.



    It doesn't say just "forced to conform or be an outcast". It says feel. Meaning from my interpretation do you ever feel it's an either or situation. Now I'm not talking about "written rule or law" breaking.
    Example,, I don't like texting on smart phones but if I ever wanted to communicate this way back and forth with my niece I'd have to get a smart phone and text. So in this instance using a cell phone for texting in my perception is a form of PC or acceptance of a doofy fad. And to communicate with my niece in this method I would "feel" forced to conform, not merely pressured because I don't have a text phone. Have I conformed? Not yet I am an outcast but I may eventually should I see the need or desire. This was not the best example but it was what I meant.

    I also wasn't allowed to smoke on the hospital grounds when I went to see a sick relative. Now it was their rule but while in my car I'm actually on my property and even the law recognizes that in search and seizure. So again I felt forced to not smoke or be an outcast from the hospital. PC IMO is a public stressor to conform to social standards based on popularity, rather than having any appeal grounded in common sense or law. I think we all have a flexible and superficial layer of our personality reserved for the sake of social charm to interact. And I don't think it means we've succumbed to PC nonsense it's simply trying to be reasonable with others but when it erodes into our freedom of choice we'll resist.
    True you did say "feel" but our responses also included feel as well.

    Where you really went wrong, though, was in the following statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I won't presume to know what's in your head but to say you're an unadulterated original that has never felt forced to conform one iota is either disingenuous or unrealistic.
    Again you use the qualifier about feeling, but you were making the blanket statement that everyone has felt forced to conform. It was in my response to that statement that I first made it a point to clarify the difference between feeling forced and feeling pressured, which are in that context very different things.

    You'll also note that in this discussion I never said that people don't feel as though they are forced to conform. Instead, I pointed out the false nature of said feeling due to the fact that conformity is always done by choice.

    I did say that I have never had that feeling.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I've heard the word pressure used more in the figurative sense of "the pressure to perform is incredible", than say the physical force "the air pressure in the tire is correct".



    Of course the pressure is primarily self-imposed but the source of internal pressure is generated mainly from outside of one's self.

    Anyway, you're being too precise and cerebral about this.. my dad use to say too me "get my drift!" Now if I would of started parsing out his words, like does "drift" mean move sideways or floating in an undirected course or manner he would've slapped my mouth with the old Missouri soup bone. Then probably said, "how'd that float for ya"? You're tearing something simple apart and too open to interpretation in order to disprove it but not really making a strong, credible point based on common phraseology. I think most people would understand the statement and say "yeah, society does want you to run with a pack or suffer isolation and exclusion".

    This is like the story of my super educated friend who overlooked the obvious and got lost in the details. And similar to what evanescence pointed out this is too simple a statement to turn the word "force" into a farce like Clinton's the meaning of "is, is". No matter how much you try and make it into a word salad exercise the overall meaning of my statement would be accepted probably more than not. You can hammer at this ad nauseam and I won't agree.
    The reason why the difference between "force" and pressure is important relates to the victim-mentality that has infested America these days. Language choices of this nature are important.

    To explain by way of example: My wife likes to ask me to do things by saying "Do you want to..." Invariably, when those are the words uttered, it is something I would not want to do in a million years. But by phrasing the question this way she can avoid making it a request, and instead pretend that in some perverted view of reality, she is doing me afavor by asking me to do **** that I don't want to do.

    People do this all the time. If someone asks you if you want to do something, it's almost always some **** they want you to do and they know you won't want to do. They are asking for a favor from you, but doing so in a way that turns it around as though they are doing you a favor.

    Word choice does affect our psychological perspective on things. When we use a word like forced when we really mean pressured, it gives the illusion of helplessness to the situation. That illusion then fosters the victim mentality. It's a subliminal effect, but the research indicates it is a strong effect.


    So what you consider a pointless nitpicking of terminology is actually something I consider a very important part in dispelling the illusion of helplessness that exists.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    The reason why the difference between "force" and pressure is important relates to the victim-mentality that has infested America these days. Language choices of this nature are important.

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    So what you consider a pointless nitpicking of terminology is actually something I consider a very important part in dispelling the illusion of helplessness that exists.
    This is exactly what it is. His initial comment about "force" made me picture a person who feels like he/she is a victim of society and in turn, unable to choose their own behavior because the big bad PC population is making them say African-American instead of black. I'm not that person. I don't feel forced to conform or say certain words in the least.

    Have I ever been around people who would rather I change my language and behavior? Sure. But do I feel forced by them to change my behavior? No.

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    Re: Politically Correct?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is exactly what it is. His initial comment about "force" made me picture a person who feels like he/she is a victim of society and in turn, unable to choose their own behavior because the big bad PC population is making them say African-American instead of black. I'm not that person. I don't feel forced to conform or say certain words in the least.

    Have I ever been around people who would rather I change my language and behavior? Sure. But do I feel forced by them to change my behavior? No.
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