View Poll Results: What would it take? (Refer to OP)

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  • Nothing, I will always be loyal to the government

    1 3.57%
  • A major infringement of the constitution

    13 46.43%
  • Abdication of power to foreign or domestic institutions (eg. corporations)

    17 60.71%
  • A provably fraudulent election with no re-vote

    14 50.00%
  • Poor economic choices that continue to bankrupt the country

    5 17.86%
  • A persistently deadlocked congress / selfish representatives

    0 0%
  • Martial law or military jurisdiction without proper cause

    25 89.29%
  • Infringement of my personal property

    7 25.00%
  • My friends, family, or community being subjected to government tyranny

    15 53.57%
  • Other (please explain)

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Thread: Insurrection

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    Re: Insurrection

    It would have to be a mix of massive and ongoing violation of the Constitution, combined with a completely stuck/disfunctional/corrupted political process which destroys all hope the problem could be solved by peaceful means.

    If my government massively violated basic human and civil rights, AND abolished elections that would allow me to vote them out of office in favor of an opposition that takes back these violations, that might be a reason. First option would be peaceful mass protest. If that does not work, maybe the tyrannic government even strikes it down with force, I might consider it viable to use force too.
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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's just you and an overactive imagination. I have not seen any one who "feared violence from the tea party"(though I suppose there might have been a couple nutjobs who did fear it), and I don't see any one against the tea party calling for insurrection. So nice try spinning this into something to cry about, but you failed pretty miserably at it.
    Well, if you include much of the commentary from MSNCB, then yes I'll agree. Then again, I do recall a lot of hysteria from far leftisits who said the Tea Partiers were violent because they had guns.

    Anyways, I'm not sure what the line should be when it comes to typically bloody insurrections.

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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Is it just me, or is it many of the same people who feared violence from the TEA party and accused them of near treason for having guns at rallys, as well as signs that spoke about refreshing that tree of liberty, now calling for armed insurrection and revolt?
    I don't want to derail the thread too much about this particular sub-topic, but if the police and authorities treated the Tea Party for their protests the way the police and authorities have started to treat the Occupiers for their protests I wouldn't blame them for protecting themselves.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, if you include much of the commentary from MSNCB, then yes I'll agree. Then again, I do recall a lot of hysteria from far leftisits who said the Tea Partiers were violent because they had guns.

    Anyways, I'm not sure what the line should be when it comes to typically bloody insurrections.
    My particular beef against the Tea Party in regards to their display of firearms is that they threatened to use them despite the legal transition of government. Which is wrong, as such violence or threat of violence automatically delegitimizes the movement.

    However, if the Tea Partiers were threatened the way the Occupiers have been threatened I would totally support brandishing such firearms for their own self-protection.

    There is a difference between those two things.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    It's just you and an overactive imagination. I have not seen any one who "feared violence from the tea party"(though I suppose there might have been a couple nutjobs who did fear it),
    You don't remember all the angst about 'violent rhetoric' directed at the TEA party after the Giffords shooting? You don't remember people here accusing the TEA party of inciting violence because they used cross hairs graphics to indicate political opponents they wanted defeated in elections? There were entire threads on it.

    and I don't see any one against the tea party calling for insurrection. So nice try spinning this into something to cry about, but you failed pretty miserably at it.
    Actually what I said was that many of the same people who accused the TEA party of being violent, now seem to think armed, open revolt is not such a bad idea. I'm not crying about it. I think it's funny more than anything.

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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Well, if you include much of the commentary from MSNCB, then yes I'll agree. Then again, I do recall a lot of hysteria from far leftisits who said the Tea Partiers were violent because they had guns.

    Anyways, I'm not sure what the line should be when it comes to typically bloody insurrections.
    I think you are once again either imagining it, or you are twisting what was actually said.
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    Re: Insurrection

    I dont think the teaparty is any more violent than OWS...each side of the spectrum uses whatever they can as a wedge against the other...Xfactor is right about the xhair thing etc...but hes also forgetting the teaparty rhetoric coming out on here about the OWs it goes both ways

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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You don't remember all the angst about 'violent rhetoric' directed at the TEA party after the Giffords shooting? You don't remember people here accusing the TEA party of inciting violence because they used cross hairs graphics to indicate political opponents they wanted defeated in elections? There were entire threads on it.
    What, both people? Seriously, there was talk about violent rhetoric, which is small scale and not aimed at the tea party, and which is not what you described at first.

    Actually what I said was that many of the same people who accused the TEA party of being violent, now seem to think armed, open revolt is not such a bad idea. I'm not crying about it. I think it's funny more than anything.
    And you might have a point, except that those people are not calling for open revolt, except possibly an isolated nutjob, nor are they saying it is not such a bad idea. So basically you are making **** up to then point at and laugh. Well done!
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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You don't remember all the angst about 'violent rhetoric' directed at the TEA party after the Giffords shooting? You don't remember people here accusing the TEA party of inciting violence because they used cross hairs graphics to indicate political opponents they wanted defeated in elections? There were entire threads on it.

    Actually what I said was that many of the same people who accused the TEA party of being violent, now seem to think armed, open revolt is not such a bad idea. I'm not crying about it. I think it's funny more than anything.
    Can you please stop turning this thread into your personal partisan bitch fest? No one here accused the Tea Party of anything. The OP is talking about what would bring a person to revolt, not whether or not the Tea Party is sanctified.

    Lord... some people just can't help themselves.

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    Re: Insurrection

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    I don't want to derail the thread too much about this particular sub-topic, but if the police and authorities treated the Tea Party for their protests the way the police and authorities have started to treat the Occupiers for their protests I wouldn't blame them for protecting themselves.
    If the TEA party broke the law, yes you would have blamed them. You'd have been all over them. Good grief, has it even occurred to you that the T party was treated differently because it behaved differently?
    Last edited by X Factor; 11-29-11 at 08:15 PM.

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