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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I firmly disagree. Ireland, Israel, Italy, and Germany do not have racist immigration/citizenship policies. They are not based on any ideas of racial/ethnic/religious superiority.
    If you favor one racial group over another, that's racist. End of story.

    Thet are based on the desire to preserve their nation-state's cultural balance and heritage. There is NOTHING racist about this.
    Nonsense.

    Nor is it racist to discriminate based on race in schools, if this is NOT motivated by feelings of racial superiority. Is it racist for Christian schools or Jewish schools to insist on having at least 75% of its students be of a certain faith? Certainly not.
    Christianity and Judaism aren't races. Please sit back down. I'm the last person on this forum you want to get in a discussion of race with. Most of all if you don't even have a ****ing clue as to what "race" actually is to begin with. If private Christian/Jewish schools want only Christian/Jewish students in, that's their prerogative. They're bigot at the end of the day, but it's their right to be so.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If we're talking actual mechanics, yes I would not have been turned down by University. But that wasn't what you said. You said that if a school essentially doesn't have enough minorities that they keep accepting them over others till some set number of minorities are reached, even if those discarded were more qualified for academia. Academia should not be set by PC crap, particularly on the University level it should be exceedingly elitist. You can do it or you can't, and if you aren't better than the guy next to you....there's the door.
    If you want to harp on a hypothetical example, then what happens if the white candidate get 3.55 and the black candidate gets 3.5? These things don't always have clear answers like your example that the white student is some brilliant kid while the minority student is barely passable.


    never thought we'd see the day where we treat minorities like pokemon...gotta catch them all.
    Better than the days when some minorities and women are treated as property.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    If you want to harp on a hypothetical example, then what happens if the white candidate get 3.55 and the black candidate gets 3.5? These things don't always have clear answers like your example that the white student is some brilliant kid while the minority student is barely passable.
    But there are other factors as well. ACT/SAT scores, extra-curricular activities, community service projects, etc. There's plenty of indicators beyond just the GPA to indicate dedication and drive; which is what University would primarily want. Ability and desire.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    But there are other factors as well. ACT/SAT scores, extra-curricular activities, community service projects, etc. There's plenty of indicators beyond just the GPA to indicate dedication and drive; which is what University would primarily want. Ability and desire.
    Right, one of those can be family background. Extra-curricular activities don't always speak to a person's ability in academia, especially in the US where school makes special exceptions for talented athletes. I don't see how allowing a black person a place over a white student is any worse than allowing an athlete over another candidate when both have lower academic score. Now the university might deem the athlete more valuable, but me personally, I enjoyed having a diverse student body in my university, and in fact it was one of the selling point for me. I see university as more than a place to learn books.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    College isn't about diversifying your *college* - students come and go rather quickly. They don't hang around for decades. It's about taking in students that have proven their selves worthy of your college name and who will value their education the most.
    Keeping an alumni association is important, and diversity is a selling point for some university, if not most. Friends that I made and people that I interacted with in university has a profound impact on me as person because at that age I was growing fast intellectually and learning things that would stay with me for life. If those 4 years aren't important, college would not be such a big issue.

    Education and prowess for knowledge should be the only factors.
    And how do you measure "prowess for knowledge"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

    Brian

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    College isn't about diversifying your *college* - students come and go rather quickly. They don't hang around for decades. It's about taking in students that have proven their selves worthy of your college name and who will value their education the most.

    Education and prowess for knowledge should be the only factors.
    The only issue with this is that some ethnic groups have historically had less exposure to college and university education than others, which means those ethnic groups don't know the value of education and prowess for knowledge.


    Affirmative Action programs allow those ethnic groups to realize it by experiencing it.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I would be more content if 'personal' details were exempt: no family history, race - nothing of that nature . . . your educational goals, history and abilities should be heavily relied on.
    Well, as I mentioned earlier, most of that kind of information is used more for demographic purposes than for purposes of providing aid of some kind or another.

    For example, AARP may need that information to learn how many retirees are seeking university or college education for one reason or another. Or the National Organization of Women uses that information to determine the entrance and drop-out rates of women.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The only issue with this is that some ethnic groups have historically had less exposure to college and university education than others, which means those ethnic groups don't know the value of education and prowess for knowledge.


    Affirmative Action programs allow those ethnic groups to realize it by experiencing it.
    Oh, come on. Blacks don't know the value of education? That's both false and insulting.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Scholarships based on socio-economic factors would provide the same benefits as racial ones, without disadvantaging anyone due to the level of melanin in their skin.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    The only way to fight racism is to engage in racism.....brilliant.
    This is the nature of man, not all of us, of course..

    or, a "brilliant" comment is what I should expect from a "very conservative".

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