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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Heh - the "Empirica Doctrine"

    But I don't support Affirmative Action and such measures - they SERVED a purpose but not anymore. Just like busing - that ended in 1999. . . I think some legislation should be left on the books which still enables people to sue and fight for their rights if they feel they're being violated - but this 'forced equality' has gone too far, now, and is redundant.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And if you're talking University level, I would disagree. To the best go the spoils. The one best capable and demonstrating the better drive gets the spot. College and then Community College, maybe less restrictions. If I got turned down for University with my National Honors, superb Math and Science courses, adequate language courses, my near perfect GPA, my perfect ACT, etc. because some dumbass who barely squeaked by the requirements happened to be an underrepresented minority; I'd call bull****. And I'd be right for it.
    Affirmative Action isn't about displacing a talented genius of one ethnic group with a barely functional mentally disabled person of another ethnic group. There's a lot more to it to that, and I doubt the example you gave is the norm in regards to it.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    ...So what is your real question? Does Israel favoring Jews for immigration count as racism? Yes. If Ireland, Germany or whomever are doing it with their own citizens? The answer remains the same.
    I firmly disagree. Ireland, Israel, Italy, and Germany do not have racist immigration/citizenship policies. They are not based on any ideas of racial/ethnic/religious superiority. Thet are based on the desire to preserve their nation-state's cultural balance and heritage. There is NOTHING racist about this.

    Nor is it racist to discriminate based on race in schools, if this is NOT motivated by feelings of racial superiority. Is it racist for Christian schools or Jewish schools to insist on having at least 75% of its students be of a certain faith? Certainly not.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Affirmative Action isn't about displacing a talented genius of one ethnic group with a barely functional mentally disabled person of another ethnic group. There's a lot more to it to that, and I doubt the example you gave is the norm in regards to it.
    The example I gave was a specific response to a specific post in which one claimed that if it came down to a minority who barely passes marks and another with a 3.9; the minority should be taken first till the statistics flesh out.

    I know it doesn't work that way, but this is why you should read posts and perhaps quoted posts as it will give context.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I voted "Yes." I think affirmative action programs in colleges are extremely valuable...it should extend to scholarship awards and admissions. Look, we continue to under-educate blacks and hispanics. The least we can do is not fail them at the university/college level. I'm all for college populations being made up of the same racial percentages as our country. In the case of blacks, it'd 12.4% (as of the 2000 census).
    So, you are assuming that 100% of the black population is, not only interested in attending college, but has the academic talent to make use of it.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And if you're talking University level, I would disagree. To the best go the spoils. The one best capable and demonstrating the better drive gets the spot. College and then Community College, maybe less restrictions. If I got turned down for University with my National Honors, superb Math and Science courses, adequate language courses, my near perfect GPA, my perfect ACT, etc. because some dumbass who barely squeaked by the requirements happened to be an underrepresented minority; I'd call bull****. And I'd be right for it.
    Then I agree to disagree. I doubt you would be turned down because, as an example, if one were percentaging blacks, as an example, into the student population, the % would be 12.4%. (I'm assuming you're not a minority.) With those kinds of stats, since whites would get 80% of the openings, I can't imagine you not being admitted.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    So, you are assuming that 100% of the black population is, not only interested in attending college, but has the academic talent to make use of it.
    Not at all. Whites: 80%; Blacks: 12.4%; Others (to make it easy) 7.6%. Will all those whites be interested in college? Nope. That has nothing to do with affirmative action.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Then I agree to disagree. I doubt you would be turned down because, as an example, if one were percentaging blacks, as an example, into the student population, the % would be 12.4%. (I'm assuming you're not a minority.) With those kinds of stats, since whites would get 80% of the openings, I can't imagine you not being admitted.
    If we're talking actual mechanics, yes I would not have been turned down by University. But that wasn't what you said. You said that if a school essentially doesn't have enough minorities that they keep accepting them over others till some set number of minorities are reached, even if those discarded were more qualified for academia. Academia should not be set by PC crap, particularly on the University level it should be exceedingly elitist. You can do it or you can't, and if you aren't better than the guy next to you....there's the door.

    never thought we'd see the day where we treat minorities like pokemon...gotta catch them all.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Affirmative Action isn't about displacing a talented genius of one ethnic group with a barely functional mentally disabled person of another ethnic group. There's a lot more to it to that, and I doubt the example you gave is the norm in regards to it.
    I laughed out loud at the bold part, but it was a good point because that's what many anti-AA people try to make it seem like which is ridiculous. Colleges like to have high GPA averages and quality students for two reasons: They want a good student body and they want a successful student body that will give them money in the future. It doesn't benefit them to accept people who won't improve their university. I'd also like to point out that the "quality" of a student is not measured solely by GPA or scores.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I'd also like to point out that the "quality" of a student is not measured solely by GPA or scores.
    Nope, it's also determined by extra-curricular activities, community service, etc.
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