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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I can't disagree with you more. Race should not be a factor to consider when evaluating college applications.

    The fact that the fed govt uses racist policies to fill positions is beyond deplorable. I was talking about private businesses...should they be required to have a workforce identical to the demographics of the country? If so, we no longer live in a free country.
    The public sector practices affirmative action both in its employee base and those it does business with. While I can't find a link re private business and affirmative action, my gut tells me it's practiced by the Fortune 500 every day of the week.

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    Experience does matter, but my degree from Boston University opens me up to more chanes to get that experience. But it also makes a difference when applying to other schools. My 3.3 from BU looks better than my friends 3.3.
    Does it depend where the boss went to school?

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    And what happens when your son or daughter gets passed over?
    There are other schools. Our country doesn't expect its leaders to make decisions for the country based on what they would wish for their children. (I'm not a leader, but I think you get my point.)

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Does it depend where the boss went to school?
    Yep. If he was from BC (And then I would question who put him in charge of anything) I could have 5 degrees with a 4.0 in each and still wouldn't get hired.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Well, if you just "try hard enough," you should be able to overcome any supposed disadvantages thrown your way, ain't that right? Ain't that what conservatives always say?

    Most folks on this board know that I'm Asian-American. I am ****ing blessed to be from an upper middle-class socioeconomic background. Asian-Americans are probably the group most disadvantaged by affirmative action. But you know what? I don't five a flying ****. My race wasn't enslaved for hundreds of years. My race isn't just pulling its ass out of the ditch that was Jim Crow. My race isn't being stopped for driving while black, and my race isn't the one that's being ghettoized, living in ****ty neighborhoods, and facing housing discrimination. (and if you don't believe me on any of these, the sociological data is out there. Just look for it.) I mean, ****, we have it pretty ****ing good in this country!

    So I'm sick of white folks whining and bitching about affirmative action (aka "reverse racism") while failing to acknowledge the existence of white privilege - which is affirmative action for white folks by default. And believe me, it exists. It's just a lot less noticeable when you're white.

    Not to mention people focus too much on college admission and job hiring policies - when what affirmative action REALLY refers to is stuff like outreach programs, building better schools in impoverished neighborhoods, job training programs, etc. Nobody ever focuses on that stuff because that stuff doesn't get people riled up. But that's what the meat of affirmative action policies have comprised since the 60s, the hiring/college admissions/quota part is only a small part of what affirmative action policies really are.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Bodi just got bitch slapped and liked it...
    Heh, sorry Bodhi you know I love you bro. The rant wasn't directed at you in particular, just something I've been meaning to get off my chest.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Heh, sorry Bodhi you know I love you bro. The rant wasn't directed at you in particular, just something I've been meaning to get off my chest.
    All good. Well said and while I disagree with AA in premise, I think that it is probably the best course of action overall for the reasons that you just stated.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    All good. Well said and while I disagree with AA in premise, I think that it is probably the best course of action overall for the reasons that you just stated.
    Me too. I don't entirely agree with AA in particular either when it comes to quotas and extra points on college admissions and stuff, but I just think folks who are whining about "reverse racism" are kinda overstating their case.

    I will make these two points:

    1) affirmative action policies in practice have benefited white females more than any other group - something not a lot of folks know. So it doesn't even begin to solve the problems related to black and Latino communities. However,

    2) The evidence shows that blacks and Latino/Hispanics who have been products of AA policies on average go on to do just as well or even better through college - in terms of grades and achievement - compared to their non-minority counterparts.

    Just some food for thought.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Me too. I don't entirely agree with AA in particular either when it comes to quotas and extra points on college admissions and stuff, but I just think folks who are whining about "reverse racism" are kinda overstating their case.

    I will make these two points:

    1) affirmative action policies in practice have benefited white females more than any other group - something not a lot of folks know. So it doesn't even begin to solve the problems related to black and Latino communities. However,

    2) The evidence shows that blacks and Latino/Hispanics that have been products of AA policies on average go on to do just as well or even better through college - in terms of grades and achievement - compared to their non-minority counterparts.

    Just some food for thought.
    Point 1 is a very true aspect and something that, as you said, is not well advertised.

    It is my hope that one day such policies will no longer be needed.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I voted "Yes." I think affirmative action programs in colleges are extremely valuable...it should extend to scholarship awards and admissions. Look, we continue to under-educate blacks and hispanics. The least we can do is not fail them at the university/college level. I'm all for college populations being made up of the same racial percentages as our country. In the case of blacks, it'd 12.4% (as of the 2000 census).
    What do we do if they're undereducated though? Give them a college degree anyway? Make them make up for what they should have learned but didn't, thus keeping them in college another year or so longer than others? Surely if they are undereducated, they can't just jump right in. Do we curtail standards, or time in college?

    In the end, I think that race is best left out of it. University particularly should be very elitist. Those who can are welcome, those who can't are welcome go elsewhere.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What do we do if they're undereducated though? Give them a college degree anyway? Make them make up for what they should have learned but didn't, thus keeping them in college another year or so longer than others? Surely if they are undereducated, they can't just jump right in. Do we curtail standards, or time in college?

    In the end, I think that race is best left out of it. University particularly should be very elitist. Those who can are welcome, those who can't are welcome go elsewhere.
    No. I've said at least once that I support it providing they meet minimum standards for entrance. Like if it takes a 3.5 GPA to get into a particular college, and that particular college's make-up is really short on a particular minority, that a student who's a member of that particular minority group with a 3.5 GPA would get in over a WASP with a 3.9.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No. I've said at least once that I support it providing they meet minimum standards for entrance. Like if it takes a 3.5 GPA to get into a particular college, and that particular college's make-up is really short on a particular minority, that a student who's a member of that particular minority group with a 3.5 GPA would get in over a WASP with a 3.9.
    And if you're talking University level, I would disagree. To the best go the spoils. The one best capable and demonstrating the better drive gets the spot. College and then Community College, maybe less restrictions. If I got turned down for University with my National Honors, superb Math and Science courses, adequate language courses, my near perfect GPA, my perfect ACT, etc. because some dumbass who barely squeaked by the requirements happened to be an underrepresented minority; I'd call bull****. And I'd be right for it.
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