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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    I'm the one linking.
    Then please point out your link here...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060005872

    Sorry you lied. No link.

    Smileys are a sure way to show how upset you are you got smacked down by the dictionary, sad really.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then please point out your link here...

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1060005872

    Sorry you lied. No link.

    Smileys are a sure way to show how upset you are you got smacked down by the dictionary, sad really.
    No problem. Here it is:

    http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rs22256.pdf

    All you had to do was ask. If I miss a link, I'll provide it.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No problem. Here it is:

    http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/crs/rs22256.pdf

    All you had to do was ask. If I miss a link, I'll provide it.
    Again it changes nothing, you were wrong.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Again it changes nothing, you were wrong.

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    Because you say so? Did you read my links?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    to find and admit qualified students of color.
    That is one form of AA, the mildest one. You go out and search really hard to find enough black kids who are just as qualified as the white ones, without having to lower your standards. And that's awesome. But it's not the same thing as using face as a factor in admissions.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not using it as a deciding factor. That is how it is possible. By and large, the smae whites who were getting in are still getting in.
    Unless you're expanding the total number of slots available, that's not mathematically possible. Unless, of course, the black kids also would have gotten in anyway. Which means you're not actually using race as a factor.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Because you say so? Did you read my links?
    Yes and they ALL say that race is a factor. They also say nothing about an AA law that exists. It is a series of programs and initiatives made to "prioritize the inclusion of minority groups in the employment, education and government sectors, among others" and "gives special rights of hiring or advancement to ethnic minorities to make up for past discrimination against that minority."

    Even two of your own links (that have a link) include those lines. This is what I and others have been saying the whole time. We also said it was causing other problems as well but you kept saying "it's not AA" and in fact we find out it is.

    Again...

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Unless you're expanding the total number of slots available, that's not mathematically possible. Unless, of course, the black kids also would have gotten in anyway. Which means you're not actually using race as a factor.
    Well, there has been some of that, expanding slots available. If you check, you will see schools have grown and increased slots.

    And yes, they likely would have gotten in anyway as they ahd to be qualified before they could even be considered. And as race cannot be the deciding factor, it really isn't counting for much.

    These polices have been driven by schools and not the law or government. Schools want diverity. But, the law has consitintly said they cannot use race as a deciding factor. They cannot set aside seats. they cannot have a quota. and they cannot give so many points based on race that it becomes the deciding factor. Again and again the courts have ruled agianst schools who place an unfair advantage to minorities.

    The law is mostly for those places that had a history of discrimination, and the courts can involve themselves in such a proven case, and mandate that qualified minorities be hired. otherwise, most of it is voluntary efforts, not legally mandated efforts, and they must stay within the law of not discrminating. Failure to do so results in losing in court.

    No one, other than rich folk like Bush, are getting into prestigous colleges with a "c" average. Minorities are getting there with qualifying grades and SAT scores. After that, everything is subjective.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes and they ALL say that race is a factor. They also say nothing about an AA law that exists. It is a series of programs and initiatives made to "prioritize the inclusion of minority groups in the employment, education and government sectors, among others" and "gives special rights of hiring or advancement to ethnic minorities to make up for past discrimination against that minority."

    Even two of your own links (that have a link) include those lines. This is what I and others have been saying the whole time. We also said it was causing other problems as well but you kept saying "it's not AA" and in fact we find out it is.

    Again...

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    No, that is not what they said. They said there were voluntary efforts, no legally mandated ones. And that quotas, set asides, and points that made race the deciding factor could not be used. I highlighted those for you. Nothing mandates by law that anyone be accepted or hire who isn't qualified.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And yes, they likely would have gotten in anyway as they ahd to be qualified before they could even be considered. And as race cannot be the deciding factor, it really isn't counting for much.
    But it still counts for something.

    These polices have been driven by schools and not the law or government. Schools want diverity. But, the law has consitintly said they cannot use race as a deciding factor. They cannot set aside seats. they cannot have a quota. and they cannot give so many points based on race that it becomes the deciding factor. Again and again the courts have ruled agianst schools who place an unfair advantage to minorities.
    Yet there's still some wiggle room left, huh?
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