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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    This is exactly what I mean, you say "you have not yet supported." I have supported it, you don't want to accept it because you say you don't have access to the information. One of the articles posted links to every source they used and you ignore it. So yes I have, and you still have shown nothing, nothing at all.

    Then you add something that is completely irrelevant. It is just another fallacy. What I want or not has nothing to do with this debate. Then to make such an asinine Ad Hominem just shows a weak position and even weaker argument.

    Are you even reading what I am saying?

    If we have "bigger problems" and I agree we do, why do we need to keep it??? Why do you argue to keep it? You have not given one valid reason to keep it yet? I have given multiple reasons it needs to go. - Blackdog
    No, you talk about things that are not in the law, and then say that is why the law needs to go. To me, that isn't logical.

    And no, you have not supported you claims. You gave opinion pieces that mentioned studies, but we see no real study, and the one only talks about asking people their opinion on it. That is not a valid study.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    As the law asks that we show we are not discirminating, exactly what about the law isn't needed?
    Now you are cutting out my comments.

    You have a good one.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Now you are cutting out my comments.

    You have a good one.
    ????? I didn't cut out anything. I asked a question.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think it is wrongly used in those terms. It is not by definition AA, which is a law. I think people just wrongly connect the two. Schools, for their own reasons, want to add diverity to their schools. Some have more valid reasoning than others, but they tend to lose in court.

    My biggest problem with Blackdog, who wants the law changed, is that he makes leaps concerning cause and effect, and all without any real evidence.

    But I'll continue that with him.
    Fair enough. I generally agree.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    If used in admissions, that isn't AA. AA has no call or mandate to use any such element as a factor. AA only calls on institutions to show they do not discrminate. Again, it is colleges that want diversity and not AA or the law.
    No, that is not what AA is, in general terms. AA as referred to here, at least by me and probably most people on this thread, is policies designed to give groups that have been discriminated against in the past some kind of boost, such as by considering their race as a factor in admissions.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    ????? I didn't cut out anything. I asked a question.
    He added something to his post, presumably after you clicked it to respond, and now it seems that he assumes that you saw it before his edit.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I linked that earlier. They said it could not be the determining factor, which is what I have been saying. And it is not AA demanding it, but schools seeking diversity on their own. Again, not the law mandating, but schools wanting soemthign and trying to find a legal way to do it. So, the law itself that is AA does not call for race to be used in admissions. It calls for schools and business to show they are not discriminating. This is my point.
    Apparently "AA" is a government policy written down somewhere that you're following, or even some agency somewhere. To the rest of us, it's simply a policy concept that involves trying to get more members of historically-disadvantaged minority groups into schools (or jobs) they'd been banned from in the past, using many possible techniques that run the gamut from just trying to find more qualified candidates to using their race as one factor to just imposing quotas. AA may have started as a specific government policy, but the term has become much more general since then. That may be a source of confusion here.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think it is wrongly used in those terms. It is not by definition AA, which is a law.
    Which law is that?

    The rest of us are referring to AA as a general policy goal, not a specific law.

    But I'm still curious which law you're referring to.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, a school issue and not an AA issue.
    (I think we've figured out the disconnect between your use of the term AA and the rest of us. Hope we can clear that up.)

    Schools value all kinds of things that are not objective. Money. Location. Parentage.
    Of course. But those are legal. Using race is illegal.

    And frankly, few to no white folks are denied entry because of seeking diversity. The numbers just don't support the claim that whites are being denied entry.
    How is that possible though? If you're using race as a factor, and that results in a black student being chosen who might not be chosen otherwise, it means a white student is denied entry. If not, you aren't really using race as a factor, so what's the point?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    This is affirmative action by definition...

    Affirmative action is a federal agenda initiated in the 1960s thatís designed to counteract historic discrimination faced by ethnic minorities, women and other underrepresented groups. To foster diversity and compensate for the ways such groups have historically been excluded, institutions with affirmative action programs prioritize the inclusion of minority groups in the employment, education and government sectors, among others.

    Legal definition...

    Affirmative action is the process of a business or governmental agency in which it gives special rights of hiring or advancement to ethnic minorities to make up for past discrimination against that minority...

    Another central issue of contention is whether members of affected groups may receive preferential treatment and, if so, the means by which they are to be preferred. This issue is sometimes referred to as the debate over quotas. Though affirmative action programs came under heavy attack during the Reagan and Bush administrations, the principles of affirmative action were reaffirmed by the Civil Rights Act of 1991. In 1997, however, California's Proposition 209 banned affirmative action in that state. In 2003 a group of affirmative action opponents began a campaign to challenge its use in Michigan. Ward Connerly, a California businessman and national leader in the campaign to end affirmative action, has pushed for the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative, which would bar the use of race and gender in government hiring, contracting, and university admissions. As of early 2006, and barring legal appeals to the contrary, the Michigan Civil Rights Initiative will be on the November 2006 Michigan ballot. The legal battles over affirmative action and how it may and may not be used continue. On a state-by-state basis, challenges to affirmative action programs are being made.


    It is a series of initiatives and overlapping laws, so I have no clue what this mysterious "AA law" is you speak of Boo.
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