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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think what the law is fine. You can't driscrminate due to race and you have to affirmative show you're not. I find nothing wrong with this.
    The issue, then is the definition of racial discrimination. I think that if you have two candidates who are otherwise equally qualified, but one is chosen by race, that's racial discrimination by definition. Not that this is always the situation that occurs.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's nonsense. If, and I say IF, the standards are being lowered overall, it has nothing to do with AA or race. On this you need to do a little more research.
    I just posted 3 articles on the subject and you said "Whether they ar elowing their standards or not is a separate issue." So either you agree and somehow think it is a separate issue or you disagree and don't think it is a separate issue. So stop the bobbing and weaving.

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    But it says something entirely different. And it's dated. Michigan lost. This means Michigan can't do what it was doing. They were breaking the law.

    But the issue in the NYT was whether diversity, which is different from AA, is overrated.

    From the article:

    One of the most comprehensive studies ever undertaken of diversity in higher education indicates that this contention is at least questionable.


    It does not address AA and the law. It is really a different issue.
    Wait so now AA has nothing to do with diversity?

    OK I am done here. You can keep denying and trying desperately weave around it. It's not worth my time.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The issue, then is the definition of racial discrimination. I think that if you have two candidates who are otherwise equally qualified, but one is chosen by race, that's racial discrimination by definition. Not that this is always the situation that occurs.
    Again, it is against the law to choose by race. But any number of subjective standards can legally be used, and many favor whites. Legacy, for example, tends to favor whites. And it is legal.

    But, by all, according to AA, you cannot discriminate due to race.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I just posted 3 articles on the subject and you said "Whether they ar elowing their standards or not is a separate issue." So either you agree and somehow think it is a separate issue or you disagree and don't think it is a separate issue. So stop the bobbing and weaving.
    Actually, you did not. You oftered two very questionable articles that offered nothing we could examine. Until they do, no one can accept or reject them. The tird article, the NYT artilce actually speaks to diversity, and tries to make a connection that isn't clear, and offeres nothing to bakc it up. The snipet was so short, I can't really figure out who wrote it, but I suspect it was an Opinion piece.

    SBut it is important to note you ahve not done what you claim.


    Wait so now AA has nothing to do with diversity?

    OK I am done here. You can keep denying and trying desperately weave around it. It's not worth my time.
    No, diversity can cover any number of things. Economic background, political persusation, regional differences, and cutural differences. Anyone from any political persuasion limiting diversity to just race misunderstands the emaning of the word.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, it is against the law to choose by race. But any number of subjective standards can legally be used, and many favor whites. Legacy, for example, tends to favor whites. And it is legal.

    But, by all, according to AA, you cannot discriminate due to race.
    So how is it possible to consider race as a factor but not call it discrimination by race?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So how is it possible to consider race as a factor but not call it discrimination by race?
    Again, from the Michigan case, you can't use race as the basis. In the beginng, the courts said it could be used as one of many facors, but when challenged, the court ruled they could not. Today, it cannot be used as a factor. Michigan did ask if diversity could be used. It can as long as race is not the thing being considered.

    As I said earlier, this is waht is interesting to me. It is not the government or the law pushing this diveristy. It is the schools. The issue seems to be with schools and not the law.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Again, from the Michigan case, you can't use race as the basis. In the beginng, the courts said it could be used as one of many facors, but when challenged, the court ruled they could not. Today, it cannot be used as a factor. Michigan did ask if diversity could be used. It can as long as race is not the thing being considered.
    Wait, so you're saying race can't be used as a factor, at all, now?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wait, so you're saying race can't be used as a factor, at all, now?
    According to the Michigan case, "it must not be a “deciding factor.”


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    Diverity can be used.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    According to the Michigan case, "it must not be a “deciding factor.”
    Okay. But race can still be used when considering "diversity" right?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    GW is a good thinker, but he bases his argument on a false premise. No one is allowed in that doesn't meet the standards.
    I think blackdog has done a pretty effective job of responding to this.

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