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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No I'm not. If that were true, we'd h
    ave 100% black schools with SATs not even asked for. Obviously other factors are considered. But should race be one of them? That's the question, yet again.
    okay well I just spent the entire post you just quoted answering that question. So you can respond to that long part of my post then instead of the single line you just quoted.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Legally, perhaps. But this debate is about more than that.
    I'm not sure be more than that. Thye concern shoudl be what the law says. If you don't want to go to a school operating within the law don't.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So you'd have no problem with a school that, say, admitted whites with a 3.5 but only admitted blacks with a 3.8?
    It doesn't work that way, but if that were the outcome, based on the subjective critieria, documentated and eassy to see, no, I would not have a problem. There is virtually no difference between a 3.5 and a 3.8. The question would be what was used after that. Without knowing that, we can only go off what we know. And .3 difference is meaningless.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not sure be more than that. Thye concern shoudl be what the law says. If you don't want to go to a school operating within the law don't.
    This debate is about what the law should be. As well as policies the law doesn't forbid.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It doesn't work that way, but if that were the outcome, based on the subjective critieria, documentated and eassy to see, no, I would not have a problem. There is virtually no difference between a 3.5 and a 3.8. The question would be what was used after that. Without knowing that, we can only go off what we know. And .3 difference is meaningless.
    Okay, so it's a numbers thing. So what number is going to do it for you? What if whites can have 2.5 but blacks must have 4.0?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Okay, so it's a numbers thing. So what number is going to do it for you? What if whites can have 2.5 but blacks must have 4.0?
    I do this experint with students based on the 1978 AA case. I give them 8 students. The low SAT is 3.5 and the high is 4.0. Other information is given. If the choose based on race, I fire them as I would be sued. But, without race, the one student with a 4.0 has never been choosen. The student with a 3.6 is choosen most often, a white female.

    Anyway, what I would like you to understand is that once you get to 3.5, schools are largely satified. The public often mistakenly thinks these grades mean more to us than they do. Other than as a bulk cut off, to lower the numbers we have to look at, they mean very little.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    This debate is about what the law should be. As well as policies the law doesn't forbid.
    I think what the law is fine. You can't driscrminate due to race and you have to affirmative show you're not. I find nothing wrong with this.

    Private is often seen as separate. There is some reluctance to tell a private agency what can and can't be the critieria. But there is often civil remdies.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Whether they ar elowing their standards or not is a separate issue.
    No it's not. It is directly caused by AA, nothing else.

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    BTW, I would not trust anything that calls itself a guide to the political left. Just saying. Do you have anything more objective? A study not seeped in an idealology? I would like to see what someone not so inclined finds.

    And Thomas Sowell says Thomas Sowell just completed a study? And he gives no link to the methodolgy he used, nothing we can examine? Don't you find that odd?
    One is from the NY Times, The one from the guide lists it sources and the last is from Stanford University.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    No it's not. It is directly caused by AA, nothing else.

    That's nonsense. If, and I say IF, the standards are being lowered overall, it has nothing to do with AA or race. On this you need to do a little more research.


    One is from the NY Times, The one from the guide lists it sources and the last is from Stanford University.

    That's OK you can ignore the facts, but we know the truth.
    But it says something entirely different. And it's dated. Michigan lost. This means Michigan can't do what it was doing. They were breaking the law.

    But the issue in the NYT was whether diversity, which is different from AA, is overrated.

    From the article:

    One of the most comprehensive studies ever undertaken of diversity in higher education indicates that this contention is at least questionable.


    It does not address AA and the law. It is really a different issue.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I do this experint with students based on the 1978 AA case. I give them 8 students. The low SAT is 3.5 and the high is 4.0. Other information is given. If the choose based on race, I fire them as I would be sued. But, without race, the one student with a 4.0 has never been choosen. The student with a 3.6 is choosen most often, a white female.

    Anyway, what I would like you to understand is that once you get to 3.5, schools are largely satified. The public often mistakenly thinks these grades mean more to us than they do. Other than as a bulk cut off, to lower the numbers we have to look at, they mean very little.
    Is that a yes?
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