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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh, gee, that settles it.
    You asked a question, you got an answer. WTF is your problem? This is a debate board with people stating opinions, and that's what happened here. If you don't like it, don't ask questions. Jesus.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You asked a question, you got an answer. WTF is your problem? This is a debate board with people stating opinions, and that's what happened here. If you don't like it, don't ask questions. Jesus.
    You just offered your answer without any justification, that's all.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yes but colleges much like public schools today are lowering the standards so more can meet them. So I think your rebuttal is based on a false premise.

    The study's findings show that college diversity programs fail to raise standards, and that a majority of faculty members and administrators recognize this when speaking anonymously...

    If diversity works as advertised, we surmised, then those at institutions with higher proportions of black enrollment should rate their educational and racial milieus more favorably than their peers at institutions with lower proportions...

    The results contradict almost every benefit claimed for campus diversity. Students, faculty members and administrators all responded to increasing racial diversity by registering increased dissatisfaction with the quality of education and the work ethic of their peers. Students also increasingly complained about discrimination'
    - Is Diversity Overrated? - The New York Times

    At America's top law schools, blacks are admitted at fully 17 times the rate that a colorblind process would allow. At UCLA Law School in 1994, a black applicant with a college GPA between 2.5 and 3.5, and an LSAT score between 60 and 90, had a 61 percent chance of admission. The corresponding rates for similarly qualified Asians and whites were 7 percent and 1 percent, respectively. Consider also Texas Law School, which in 1992 rejected 668 white applicants before rejecting a single black. Fully 100 percent of blacks who scored between 189 and 192 in the school’s academic rating system were admitted, as compared to just 6 percent of whites. - Affirmative Action: Double Standards & Lowered Standards - Discover the Networks

    Thomas Sowell recently concluded a study of affirmative action programs around the world, from India and Malaysia to Nigeria and the United States. His findings? Such programs have at best a negligible impact on the groups they are intended to assist. - Affirmative Action around the World | Hoover Institution
    Whether they ar elowing their standards or not is a separate issue.

    BTW, I would not trust anything that calls itself a guide to the political left. Just saying. Do you have anything more objective? A study not seeped in an idealology? I would like to see what someone not so inclined finds.

    And Thomas Sowell says Thomas Sowell just completed a study? And he gives no link to the methodolgy he used, nothing we can examine? Don't you find that odd?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But you didn't answer my question, you changed it's premise.
    I thought I did. What do you think I didn't address?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You just offered your answer without any justification, that's all.
    I've offered justification all throughout this thread. Do you have anything to add to this, or is it just a worthless post trying and failing to be smarmy because someone on a debate forum on the internet actually put down their opinion on a matter being discussed?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh, gee, that settles it.
    She's actually right when it concerns private schools. No one is forcing them to take anyone. If they choose to, and don't take government money, that's an entirely different animal than a public school taking public funds.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I thought I did. What do you think I didn't address?
    So if a white student had better SATs than a black student but wasn't admitted and the black student was, would you see that as likely discrimination?

    That was my question. But you basically said that this never happens, or at least that there is a minimum score that all must have (which apparently doesn't apply to athletes, but whatever).
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So if a white student had better SATs than a black student but wasn't admitted and the black student was, would you see that as likely discrimination?

    That was my question. But you basically said that this never happens, or at least that there is a minimum score that all must have (which apparently doesn't apply to athletes, but whatever).
    I think I said no. I wouldn't. I said this because SATs and ACTs are only used as a bulk cut off. After that, they don't matter. So one may have a 3.5 and another a 3.8. Both qualify. Then when looking at other, often more subjective criteria, the school may choose the the person with the 3.5. This happens, as I said. And it happens between people of the same race. So, no it would not bother me.

    Now, if you took someone who did not meet that bulk cut off, I would ask why or how did they get beyond it. A likely answer is his parents donated money. If that was the case, it would bother me, but I would have no recourse. If, however, they said they wanted someone based on race, I could at least sue.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    She's actually right when it concerns private schools. No one is forcing them to take anyone. If they choose to, and don't take government money, that's an entirely different animal than a public school taking public funds.
    Legally, perhaps. But this debate is about more than that.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think I said no. I wouldn't. I said this because SATs and ACTs are only used as a bulk cut off. After that, they don't matter. So one may have a 3.5 and another a 3.8. Both qualify. Then when looking at other, often more subjective criteria, the school may choose the the person with the 3.5. This happens, as I said. And it happens between people of the same race. So, no it would not bother me.
    So you'd have no problem with a school that, say, admitted whites with a 3.5 but only admitted blacks with a 3.8?
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