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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Im not convinced AA has outlived its neccessity. However, it should take into account income & socio-economic status more than JUST skin color.
    Did you read George Will's most recent editorial about how affirmative action for black law or engineering students actually decreases the number of black lawyers or engineers?

    The unintended consequences of racial preferences - The Washington Post

    Academic mismatch” causes many students who are admitted under a substantial preference based on race, but who possess weaker academic skills, to fall behind. The consequences include especially high attrition rates from the sciences, and self-segregation in less-demanding classes, thereby reducing classroom diversity. Blacks are significantly more integrated across the University of California system than they were before the state eliminated racial preferences in 1996, thereby discouraging enrollment of underprepared minorities in the more elite institutions.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What should be considered and who decides?
    Academic accomplishments and not much else this is school after all. As for who decides, I'd say the faculty of the school would still hold the responsibility. Just without the added pressure of trying to meet bull**** quotas that benefit no one.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    This is a yes or no/black or white answer with absolutely no grey area to hide behind.

    You either condone and defend racism OR you speak up and publicly denounce it here and now.

    I believe it is safe to assume that any poster who is afraid to cast a vote most likely condones racism.

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    Those are nonsensical declarations and not all issues are simpleton yes-no questions.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hare View Post
    Academic accomplishments and not much else this is school after all. As for who decides, I'd say the faculty of the school would still hold the responsibility. Just without the added pressure of trying to meet bull**** quotas that benefit no one.
    Those are considered. But, tell us very little as one school isn't equal to another. GPA doesn't mean much, and without knowing each school, it is next to impossible to determine how much rigor was involved. Mulitple choice tests have limits, and again, only tell us som much. They are a little better than GPA's, but not much better. And the law says we can consider all kinds of things outside of race, sex, and religion. And schools do. They have all kinds of subjective measures to help select the student they want. And all perfectly legal, and largely don't rile many up. Rich? No problem, we can disciminate with no one being upset. Parents? Sure, you have the right parents, we'll skip the standards, and not only is it legal, but few to none get upset. An athlete? Again, we'll discrminate with no consequences.

    And this is the schools decision. Plain and simple. No one is outside asking them to do anything other than meet the law and show that they don't discriminate for reasons of race, sex, or religion. All of which suggests you complaint is more than a little miss directed.

    BTW, quotas are against the law. No school legally has a quota.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    interesting addition:
    GW is a good thinker, but he bases his argument on a false premise. No one is allowed in that doesn't meet the standards. Like too many, he starts witht he assumption that isn't really grounded in fact.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    GW is a good thinker, but he bases his argument on a false premise. No one is allowed in that doesn't meet the standards. Like too many, he starts witht he assumption that isn't really grounded in fact.
    Yes but colleges much like public schools today are lowering the standards so more can meet them. So I think your rebuttal is based on a false premise.

    The study's findings show that college diversity programs fail to raise standards, and that a majority of faculty members and administrators recognize this when speaking anonymously...

    If diversity works as advertised, we surmised, then those at institutions with higher proportions of black enrollment should rate their educational and racial milieus more favorably than their peers at institutions with lower proportions...

    The results contradict almost every benefit claimed for campus diversity. Students, faculty members and administrators all responded to increasing racial diversity by registering increased dissatisfaction with the quality of education and the work ethic of their peers. Students also increasingly complained about discrimination'
    - Is Diversity Overrated? - The New York Times

    At America's top law schools, blacks are admitted at fully 17 times the rate that a colorblind process would allow. At UCLA Law School in 1994, a black applicant with a college GPA between 2.5 and 3.5, and an LSAT score between 60 and 90, had a 61 percent chance of admission. The corresponding rates for similarly qualified Asians and whites were 7 percent and 1 percent, respectively. Consider also Texas Law School, which in 1992 rejected 668 white applicants before rejecting a single black. Fully 100 percent of blacks who scored between 189 and 192 in the school’s academic rating system were admitted, as compared to just 6 percent of whites. - Affirmative Action: Double Standards & Lowered Standards - Discover the Networks

    Thomas Sowell recently concluded a study of affirmative action programs around the world, from India and Malaysia to Nigeria and the United States. His findings? Such programs have at best a negligible impact on the groups they are intended to assist. - Affirmative Action around the World | Hoover Institution
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I wouldn't see it a discrimination either way, as I know something of the process. Once everyone has meant the cut off, they are no longer considered. This is the same process even between peole of the same race. SUch scores are only used to shrink the number of possible candidates. No one puts much more stock in them than that.
    But you didn't answer my question, you changed it's premise.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    The problem is that you are treating affirmative action as if it makes race the sole criterion for determining whether a student should be accepted.
    No I'm not. If that were true, we'd have 100% black schools with SATs not even asked for. Obviously other factors are considered. But should race be one of them? That's the question, yet again.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But should race be one of them? That's the question, yet again.
    Depends. Private schools, it's up to them. They should be able to set that standard as they see fit. Public school maybe depending on level. University level, no. University, being the highest tier of all higher education, the most competitive and most elitist; admissions here should be completely performance/drive based. College and Community College can have less stringent constraints. Maybe race can even come in there if you want it to. Tech School...actually probably not once again as this is essentially just job training.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends. Private schools, it's up to them. They should be able to set that standard as they see fit. Public school maybe depending on level. University level, no. University, being the highest tier of all higher education, the most competitive and most elitist; admissions here should be completely performance/drive based. College and Community College can have less stringent constraints. Maybe race can even come in there if you want it to. Tech School...actually probably not once again as this is essentially just job training.
    Oh, gee, that settles it.
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