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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Affirmative action may be discrimination based on race, but it is not racism.

    Just as Irish, Italian, German, or Israeli citizenship & immigration policies favoring people of certain ancestries & religions over others, is also not racism or ethinic or religious bigotry.
    This is nonsense. Do you know the definition of racism? A policy favoring one made up race group over another IS in fact racist as it's based on nothing other than prejudice.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is nonsense. Do you know the definition of racism? A policy favoring one made up race group over another IS in fact racist as it's based on nothing other than prejudice.
    do you consider immigration & citizenship policies that favor the descendants of former citizens, to be "racist"?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    The idea behind Affirmative Action is not to give minorities an unfair advantage. Instead, it is meant to correct for a deficiency in the human condition. Basically, humans instinctively tend to associate more with those that look like them. This is true regardless of whether you are talking about a modern industrialized society or a primitive hunter gatherer society. This tendency in and of itself is not rooted in racism, but rather its instinctual. If you are hiring someone you will tend to subconsciously give preference to those that look like you unless you consciously override that instinctual preference.

    When Affirmative Action was first implemented, the vast majority of hiring managers and college admissions personnel were white. This resulted in minorities being either willfully (as in the case of racism), or subconsciously (as in the case of instinctual preference), being discriminated against in terms of hiring and college admissions. The role of Affirmative Action was to counter that.

    That all said, hiring managers and college admissions personnel are much more diverse today and much more conscious of having a diverse college or workplace, thus there is not the kind of need for Affirmative Action today as there was 30 years ago. The issue today is more of wealthy students getting preference over poorer students, and affirmative action laws should be modified to reflect this.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is nonsense. Do you know the definition of racism? A policy favoring one made up race group over another IS in fact racist as it's based on nothing other than prejudice.
    Interesting. Respectfully, are you playing Devil's Advocate? If not then cool. I know of very few liberals who share that view.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    the ones who vote 'yes' should learn something about justice and humanity..

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    do you consider immigration & citizenship policies that favor the descendants of former citizens, to be "racist"?
    You're being dishonestly light footed around your question. Do I consider immigration/citizenship policies that favor one "race" over another to be racist? Yes. That's the textbook definition of racism. If the US did not allow Indians to come in the US so that the Irish could come over, would that be racist? Yes. If they barred the Irish for coming so that Indians could instead? The same. So what is your real question? Does Israel favoring Jews for immigration count as racism? Yes. If Ireland, Germany or whomever are doing it with their own citizens? The answer remains the same.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    The idea behind Affirmative Action is not to give minorities an unfair advantage. Instead, it is meant to correct for a deficiency in the human condition. Basically, humans instinctively tend to associate more with those that look like them.
    Actually, I don't think that's true, or at least with regards to affirmative action.

    Rather, I think that the corporate culture and attitude, or the lack thereof, is taught more by parents than anything else.

    For example, I have a best friend from college who is African-American/Latino. He is a computer software engineer and he works for a university. He is rather high up in his department and is so necessary to the running of that university that the budget from other departments is used to help make up his salary. One reason for this is because his mother is an anesthesiologist and ingrained in him at a young age the mentality needed to work in a professional environment like that in order to get very far ahead, which she was able to learn as an anesthesiologist working in hospitals.

    On the other hand I have a friend from Georgia who is white and a farmer. As was his father and his grandfather. He knows nothing about what would be expected of him in a corporate environment since the skills necessary for farm work are different, and he makes less money working for his family's farm.

    So I think that a very big aspect of that kind of thing is learned from parents. And if people of certain ethnicities are not given the chance to enter fields then they never will because their children will never get exposed to those fields or learn what is expected of them when they try to enter those fields.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I voted "Yes." I think affirmative action programs in colleges are extremely valuable...it should extend to scholarship awards and admissions. Look, we continue to under-educate blacks and hispanics. The least we can do is not fail them at the university/college level. I'm all for college populations being made up of the same racial percentages as our country. In the case of blacks, it'd 12.4% (as of the 2000 census).
    And what happens when your son or daughter gets passed over?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    maggie makes me surprised..

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    And what happens when your son or daughter gets passed over?
    Well, if you just "try hard enough," you should be able to overcome any supposed disadvantages thrown your way, ain't that right? Ain't that what conservatives always say?

    Most folks on this board know that I'm Asian-American. I am ****ing blessed to be from an upper middle-class socioeconomic background. Asian-Americans are probably the group most disadvantaged by affirmative action. But you know what? I don't five a flying ****. My race wasn't enslaved for hundreds of years. My race isn't just pulling its ass out of the ditch that was Jim Crow. My race isn't being stopped for driving while black, and my race isn't the one that's being ghettoized, living in ****ty neighborhoods, and facing housing discrimination. (and if you don't believe me on any of these, the sociological data is out there. Just look for it.) I mean, ****, we have it pretty ****ing good in this country!

    So I'm sick of white folks whining and bitching about affirmative action (aka "reverse racism") while failing to acknowledge the existence of white privilege - which is affirmative action for white folks by default. And believe me, it exists. It's just a lot less noticeable when you're white.

    Not to mention people focus too much on college admission and job hiring policies - when what affirmative action REALLY refers to is stuff like outreach programs, building better schools in impoverished neighborhoods, job training programs, etc. Nobody ever focuses on that stuff because that stuff doesn't get people riled up. But that's what the meat of affirmative action policies have comprised since the 60s, the hiring/college admissions/quota part is only a small part of what affirmative action policies really are.
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