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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    If they are already against the law, why do we need AA again?
    AA is what makes it against the law. Are you not following? AA says you ahve to show you are not discrminating due to race. A quota would show you are, so you can't have them. Understand?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I am talking about in general, you can read right?

    Now again answer the question.
    No one's argued that in general either. Generalizations are ususally somethign to avoid for a reason.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Actually yes it does and did...

    In the 1970s, while campuses were embroiled in debate about how to increase African-Americans and women on the faculty, universities were also putting into effect schemes to increase minority presence within the student body. Very selective universities, in particular, needed new initiatives because only a handful of African-American and Hispanic high school students possessed test scores and grades good enough to make them eligible for admission. These institutions faced a choice: retain their admissions criteria unchanged and live with the upshot—hardly any African-Americans and Hispanics on campus—or fiddle with their criteria to get a more substantial representation. Most elected the second path. Affirmative Action (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
    What you fail to include in this "evidence" is that 1) The article gives no source for its claim that "most elected the second path", and 2) The actions of the single school that the article uses to substantiate its claim were ruled unconstitutional. Like I said, AA does not lower standards or definitively judge students by race.

    And as far as how widespread you think discrimination with AA is, we have this:
    In an analysis, the U.S. Department of Labor found that affirmative action programs do not lead to widespread reverse discrimination claims. It also found that a high proportion of claims that are filed are found to lack merit. These findings firmly refute the charge that affirmative action has helped minorities at the expense of whites. The analysis found that fewer than 200 out of 3,000 discrimination cases filed involved reverse discrimination, and in only six cases were such claims substantiated.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    AA is what makes it against the law. Are you not following? AA says you ahve to show you are not discrminating due to race. A quota would show you are, so you can't have them. Understand?
    We have laws against discrimination and have nothing to do with AA.

    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009
    Age Discrimination Act of 1975
    Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
    Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
    California Fair Employment and Housing Act
    Civil Rights Act of 1871
    Civil Rights Act of 1964
    Civil Rights Act of 1968
    Civil Rights Act of 1991
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act
    Equal Pay Act of 1963
    Executive Order 11478
    Executive Order 13166 – “Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency”
    Fair Employment Act of 1941
    Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 - enables qualified employees to take prolonged unpaid leave for family and health-related reasons without fear of losing their jobs. For private employers with 15 or more employers
    Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
    Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
    Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965
    Lloyd – La Follette Act (1912)
    No-FEAR Act
    Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978
    Rehabilitation Act of 1973

    So why do we need AA again?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    People seem to think we need all kind of hand outs and assistance so I call bull****. I am sick of white people saying we need all this help because "society" or "racists" etc are holding us down. The only thing holding us down is US. Things like AA are not needed and has outlived it's usefulness. We have laws protecting us from discriminatory practices, so why do we need AA again?
    I already explained to you when said this nonsense the first time that no one is arguing for handouts. You refuse to listen and instead address what you want us to have said rather than what we have actually said. Our arguments aren't about "white people" saying you need help and nobody is trying to "hold you down".

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    We have laws against discrimination and have nothing to do with AA.

    Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009
    Age Discrimination Act of 1975
    Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967
    Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990
    California Fair Employment and Housing Act
    Civil Rights Act of 1871
    Civil Rights Act of 1964
    Civil Rights Act of 1968
    Civil Rights Act of 1991
    Employment Non-Discrimination Act
    Equal Pay Act of 1963
    Executive Order 11478
    Executive Order 13166 – “Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency”
    Fair Employment Act of 1941
    Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993 - enables qualified employees to take prolonged unpaid leave for family and health-related reasons without fear of losing their jobs. For private employers with 15 or more employers
    Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution
    Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act
    Immigration and Nationality Services Act of 1965
    Lloyd – La Follette Act (1912)
    No-FEAR Act
    Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978
    Rehabilitation Act of 1973

    So why do we need AA again?
    I didn't say it was the only law. But it requires we affirmatively show we don't discriminate as opposed to waiting for someone to sue. This seems valid to me.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So why do we need AA again?
    It depends on who you ask. Some understand that race impacts social experience and they want people with diverse social experiences on their campuses and in their workplaces. Other want to make sure that existing or past discrimination does not impact their pool of candidates.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    What you fail to include in this "evidence" is that 1) The article gives no source for its claim that "most elected the second path", and 2) The actions of the single school that the article uses to substantiate its claim were ruled unconstitutional. Like I said, AA does not lower standards or definitively judge students by race.
    You know as well as I do their are plenty of others. If I list them, will you just ignore them as well?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    And as far as how widespread you think discrimination with AA is, we have this:
    This is funny...

    Myth: Affirmative Action is preferential treatment
    Fact: Preferences for those in need is the American way; a basic concept. Affirmative action programs for minorities and women are a very small part of U.S. preferential policies. College draft deferments, selective allotments for refugees, support for corporate farms, re-entry programs for GI's, the Marshall Plan (billions of dollars for free training of former European enemies denied to Black GI's in the U.S.), legacy systems, and geographical preferences are but a few of the programs engineered in the name of inclusion and deemed worthy of preferential treatment.


    Sorry no dice.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I didn't say it was the only law.
    You went the extra mile presenting it as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But it requires we affirmatively show we don't discriminate as opposed to waiting for someone to sue. This seems valid to me.
    If someone does, they go to jail, get fined etc. SO again no need for AA, period.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It depends on who you ask. Some understand that race impacts social experience and they want people with diverse social experiences on their campuses and in their workplaces. Other want to make sure that existing or past discrimination does not impact their pool of candidates.
    I am sorry man, that is a lame excuse in 2011.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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