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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why is it not the same thing, other than AA says it's illegal to use race?
    The right of an applicant “to equal consideration” is totally disregarded if race is part of that.

    I think this pretty much nails it...

    In the 1970s, while campuses were embroiled in debate about how to increase African-Americans and women on the faculty, universities were also putting into effect schemes to increase minority presence within the student body. Very selective universities, in particular, needed new initiatives because only a handful of African-American and Hispanic high school students possessed test scores and grades good enough to make them eligible for admission. These institutions faced a choice: retain their admissions criteria unchanged and live with the upshot—hardly any African-Americans and Hispanics on campus—or fiddle with their criteria to get a more substantial representation. Most elected the second path.

    A lowering of standards and in some cases quota's.

    It is not needed. Minority's can do just as well without the white mans handouts. We can make it on our own merits.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    You keep repeating this and then you say things like "it lowers standards" and "it isn't a definitive way to judge how well students will perform" to substantiate your claim, but AA doesn't lower standards and it doesn't rest on the premise that race is a definitive way to judge how well students will perform. So you can keep repeating "it's unfair" and "it shouldn't be considered at all" over and over again, but you have yet to offer a single true line of reasoning to support those claims.
    Actually yes it does and did...

    In the 1970s, while campuses were embroiled in debate about how to increase African-Americans and women on the faculty, universities were also putting into effect schemes to increase minority presence within the student body. Very selective universities, in particular, needed new initiatives because only a handful of African-American and Hispanic high school students possessed test scores and grades good enough to make them eligible for admission. These institutions faced a choice: retain their admissions criteria unchanged and live with the upshot—hardly any African-Americans and Hispanics on campus—or fiddle with their criteria to get a more substantial representation. Most elected the second path. Affirmative Action (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    It is not needed. Minority's can do just as well without the white mans handouts. We can make it on our own merits.
    Your self-righteousness is unnecessary as AA is less about minorities themselves and more about society's treatment of them.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ...It is not needed. Minority's can do just as well without the white mans handouts. We can make it on our own merits.
    pathetic & race-baiting strawman

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    The right of an applicant “to equal consideration” is totally disregarded if race is part of that.

    I think this pretty much nails it...

    In the 1970s, while campuses were embroiled in debate about how to increase African-Americans and women on the faculty, universities were also putting into effect schemes to increase minority presence within the student body. Very selective universities, in particular, needed new initiatives because only a handful of African-American and Hispanic high school students possessed test scores and grades good enough to make them eligible for admission. These institutions faced a choice: retain their admissions criteria unchanged and live with the upshot—hardly any African-Americans and Hispanics on campus—or fiddle with their criteria to get a more substantial representation. Most elected the second path.

    A lowering of standards and in some cases quota's.

    It is not needed. Minority's can do just as well without the white mans handouts. We can make it on our own merits.
    You're not addressing the law with that. And in 78, quotas went to court. Since then, quotas have been against the law. Yes, there was a debate. But, AA, the law, says what it says and not what you want to say. You're complaining about things already against the law.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Your self-righteousness is unnecessary as AA is less about minorities themselves and more about society's treatment of them.
    People seem to think we need all kind of hand outs and assistance so I call bull****. I am sick of white people saying we need all this help because "society" or "racists" etc are holding us down. The only thing holding us down is US. Things like AA are not needed and has outlived it's usefulness. We have laws protecting us from discriminatory practices, so why do we need AA again?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're not addressing the law with that. And in 78, quotas went to court. Since then, quotas have been against the law. Yes, there was a debate. But, AA, the law, says what it says and not what you want to say. You're complaining about things already against the law.
    If they are already against the law, why do we need AA again?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    People seem to think we need all kind of hand outs and assistance so I call bull****. I am sick of white people saying we need all this help because "society" or "racists" etc are holding us down. The only thing holding us down is US. Things like AA are not needed and has outlived it's usefulness. We have laws protecting us from discriminatory practices, so why do we need AA again?



    No one has argued any such thing. Step back, think and try again.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    pathetic & race-baiting strawman
    Oh shut up you stupid troll.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post


    No one has argued any such thing. Step back, think and try again.
    I am talking about in general, you can read right?

    Now again answer the question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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