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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Whatever happened to the American notion of knowing in your heart that rejection only means you were destined for something else, something bigger. If they don't want me, it means they don't deserve me.
    Why should that not be held to everybody regardless of race?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Certainly not. There's club activities, awards, extra-curricular activity, community service, etc.
    And the interview. The essay you write.

    Admissions people love to discover the diamond in the rough. The kid who got a mixture of A's and B's because he was caring for sick relative while holding down a part-time job, while going to school. No time or money SAT camp. But the kid has something they can't teach in an SAT class.... CHARACTER.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    And the interview. The essay you write.

    Admissions people love to discover the diamond in the rough. The kid who got a mixture of A's and B's because he was caring for sick relative while holding down a part-time job, while going to school. No time or money SAT camp. But the kid has something they can't teach in an SAT class.... CHARACTER.
    Indeed, but nothing based on race. SAT/ACT camps are a waste. I destroyed those tests without even trying that hard. But there's a lot of merit by which you can gauge candidacy, and none of them rely on race. At the University level of academics, it should be very competitive and performance based.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why should that not be held to everybody regardless of race?
    In the post, I though I made it clear, I was talking about the difference between being rejected by one or two school and barred from attending ANY schools SPECIFICALLY because of your race.

    If you didn't get into your first choice, obsessing about the minorities who did get into 'your' school is not healthy. Going to another school for two years, bringing home grades that show your first choice what a mistake they made not picking you us, that feels more American.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I can't say no one has done it, but the problem is more made up than real. And it has always been against the law, so anyone who felt that way was free to sue. Some did, and they won. So the really small probelm isn't AA, but the few who don't understand the law. And even among them, they did very little, having gotten in few minorities while still getting in overwhelming white candidates. So as is common practice today, a small segment of the population whines over a false problem and can't even see the fact that all they ahve to do is follow the law.
    Then why don't they just get rid of it?? I mean really if this is the case why is it needed today?
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    That a University should strive for a diverse student body??

    How is that unfair?

    It's not a hundred-yard dash with a photo finish. It's not that kind of race or contest. A higher GPA/SAT does not mean you're a better candidate. It means you were very good at memorization, which is the lowest level of critical thinking. What were you like in the interview? In any of these 4 (four) law suits that you sighted, were any of the application essays made public? I'd like to see how these 4 cry-babys wrote. Did they have anything interesting to say? Were they honest and thoughtful, or just going through the motions?

    There's a book called Nation of Advisories you should read. It's about people overusing the courts to seek remedy for perceived wrongs. Cheerleaders suing to get back on the squad, parents suing to get their kids into a private school, etc.

    Whatever happened to the American notion of knowing in your heart that rejection only means you were destined for something else, something bigger. If they don't want me, it means they don't deserve me.

    These kids were not being denied access to a ALL SCHOOLS, which was the case for black kids prior to Brown v Board of Education.
    That was 1954, this is 2011 almost 2012. I think we are past that. Hell the athletic scholarships dominated by black people for football and basketball should clue you in on that.

    Race should play no part and give anyone an advantage because you have no choice in race, it's a crap shoot. It should only be judged by your accomplishments etc. Things you directly contribute to, period.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Admissions based on at least partly by race/ethnicity.
    Not anymore unfair than considering any other factor that the college feels improves the contributions a student will make to a campus.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Then why don't they just get rid of it?? I mean really if this is the case why is it needed today?
    Because the law requires that we prove we DO NOT discriminate due to race. This is a good law to have, and what was used by those who won the suits we speak of. If you don't understand the law, you reach a lot of mistaken conclusions.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Not anymore unfair than considering any other factor that the college feels improves the contributions a student will make to a campus.
    Yea because something you have no control over, had nothing to do with is definitively a way to judge how well people will do in college.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Yea because something you have no control over, had nothing to do with is definitively a way to judge how well people will do in college.
    Which is why colleges don't and can't consider race alone in the admissions process.

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