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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    No, you could not "potentially choose either student." One student's application is bumped up for no other reason than his race.
    In your hypothetical, you're describing a practice that has been phased out.

    Your hypothetical is limited and not related to any current practice.

    Posters are therefore obliged to MODIFY IT as they see fit to make it more realistic.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Both kids are NOT admitted in this scenario. Despite his obvious socioeconomic advantages, one student is granted a leg-up because of his race and the other is not. For the sake of argument, let's assume that the black is not getting a leg-up because the admissions office thinks he'll "add more to the college", but because the admissions office fears that it is missing its "target quota" for black student admissions and may be sued by the NAACP.
    Oh, well I don't support this scenario and I support AA because I don't think most colleges make decisions like this. I don't support quotas, I support choosing students according to what value they will add to the college and this is how I'm quite certain most colleges choose their students.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Why should socioeconomic handicap trump race?
    Well, for one thing, the welfare class student did not attend one of the best high schools in the state, nor could he afford a private tutor to help him study for the SAT, etc., etc..

    Maybe its just me, but it seems like the handicap should go to the student who enjoyed less advantages.

    What say you?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Well, for one thing, the welfare class student did not attend one of the best high schools in the state, nor could he afford a private tutor to help him study for the SAT, etc., etc..

    Maybe its just me, but it seems like the handicap should go to the student who enjoyed less advantages.

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    I would agree, but that's just AA based on economics instead of race. Some people would call that class warfare.


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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Oh, well I don't support this scenario and I support AA because I don't think most colleges make decisions like this. I don't support quotas, I support choosing students according to what value they will add to the college and this is how I'm quite certain most colleges choose their students.
    In my scenario, the poor white kid who didn't get into the University sees it as racism because his blue collar father is a racist. The kid bitches and moans and forgets that he gets to save a bundle going to the great community college down the street then transfer to that 4-year school. The kid builds up so much resentment, it consumes him and he secretly harbors hatred towards all blacks. He gets a job as a mall cop and ends up getting faired for pepper spraying an underage black girl. He becomes an alcoholic like his pops and never amounts to anything. He blames his miserable life on the black kid who go into the four year school and all the racists in the administration.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Oh, well I don't support this scenario and I support AA because I don't think most colleges make decisions like this. I don't support quotas, I support choosing students according to what value they will add to the college and this is how I'm quite certain most colleges choose their students.
    Of course, you are aware of the Gratz v. Bollinger case where the University of Michigan was awarding a 20 point bump for being black and only a 12 point bump for getting a perfect score on the SAT.

    Fortunately, the U of M was taken to task for such blatant racial discrimination. Still, one can only imagine what sort of AA/EO policies other colleges and universities have employed with their admissions processes, and may continue to employ.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    In my scenario, the poor white kid who didn't get into the University sees it as racism because his blue collar father is a racist. The kid bitches and moans and forgets that he gets to save a bundle going to the great community college down the street then transfer to that 4-year school. The kid builds up so much resentment, it consumes him and he secretly harbors hatred towards all blacks. He gets a job as a mall cop and ends up getting faired for pepper spraying an underage black girl. He becomes an alcoholic like his pops and never amounts to anything. He blames his miserable life on the black kid who go into the four year school and all the racists in the administration.
    This is pretty much the background of many racists. They blame some failure on a minority and then scapegoat that minority for the rest of their lives. There was actually a kid at my high school (not poor, rich actually) who didn't get into Northwestern University. His explanation for why he didn't get in, "Some black kid took my spot". I anticipate that he is going to harbor some of that racial animosity and it's too bad, since his dream is to become a Senator.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Anybody who wants to go to college can. Many community/junior colleges have open enrollment and also partnerships with major universities that guarantee admittance to the larger school if the student maintains the required GPA. So it's a matter of work and of will.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I would agree, but that's just AA based on economics instead of race. Some people would call that class warfare.
    Others would call it leveling the playing field.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Still, one can only imagine what sort of AA/EO policies other colleges and universities have employed with their admissions processes, and may continue to employ.
    Yes, you have quite an imagination. There are all kinds of forces working against you and all white people.

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