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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    race/sex/religious affiliation should be excluded from every public-funding recipient college or university application process. Educational and intellectual disparities amongst races must be tackled in lower-level education (and by the parents of these students, as well). Admitting a child to college based on their race, despite their achievements (or lack there of) solves nothing.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Me? (I actually surprise myself by this opinion, btw.) I think that until the quota's filled, anyone meeting the requirements of the college who's a member of an under-represented race should be admitted solely on that factor.
    I am sorry, I don't understand your answer.

    If somebody meets the requirements of the college, then they should be admitted.

    Are people that meet the requirements denied access normally?

    Should somebody that meets the requirements of the college, but are of a race that is plentiful at the college, be denied admittence?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    I ran across this Columbus Dispatch Newspaper article from Feb2011 at AmRen's website.

    Why is "skin color" still a qualifying factor for college admission in the 21st century?

    I suspect these policies are a whole lot more wide spread than just Ohio State and Miami universities?

    I thought liberals and the democrat party were suppose to be champions of the victims of racism?

    This is a yes or no/black or white answer with absolutely no grey area to hide behind.

    You either condone and defend racism OR you speak up and publicly denounce it here and now.

    I believe it is safe to assume that any poster who is afraid to cast a vote most likely condones racism.

    I have chosen the username to register with your vote, option...Lets find out who walks the talk.
    Well, what can I say? Affrmative Action had its use back in the day, but now as black people have better and better opportunities, AA becomes less and less necessary.

    People should have seen it coming. They should have realized AA would be uncovered for what it is; racism.

    Either racism is good, or it is bad.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    A deciding factor? No. But if candidate A and B are equal, but candidate A is white and candidate B is black I see nothing wrong with letting candidate B in for some diversity. Hell, I probably took some one's spot because I was legacy at BU.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    A deciding factor? No. But if candidate A and B are equal, but candidate A is white and candidate B is black I see nothing wrong with letting candidate B in for some diversity. Hell, I probably took some one's spot because I was legacy at BU.




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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    given the exceedingly high follow on drop out rate - what makes you think that we are helping them by sending them to a college that they are unprepared for, loading them with student debt, and then stacking the deck against them in the matter of actually earning a degree?

    look, i'm all for education reform for our lower income earning populace; and it's true that minorities in particular get screwed by our public education system. but setting them up for failure later in the system isn't the answer.
    I guess I didn't say it, but thought it. I hold that position assuming that the minority students meet their minimum qualifications. The best and brightest should get a hand up, in my opinion.

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    Who is "we"? So it's ok with you if a white/Asian kid does extremely well in high school and is told he/she has to go to an inferior college so a black/hispanic kid with considerably poorer grades can attend. I am not. Why stop there, how about making employers pick new hires based on their color and not their skills or grades.
    "We" are the taxpayers who pay for their education through our public school system. There is no such thing as an inferior college. If there is, I'd like to know which one. As for employers? We've had affirmative action in place for YEARS. Here's the Fed's position on it:

    For federal contractors and subcontractors, affirmative action must be taken by covered employers to recruit and advance qualified minorities, women, persons with disabilities, and covered veterans. Affirmative actions include training programs, outreach efforts, and other positive steps. These procedures should be incorporated into the company’s written personnel policies. Employers with written affirmative action programs must implement them, keep them on file and update them annually.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I guess I didn't say it, but thought it. I hold that position assuming that the minority students meet their minimum qualifications. The best and brightest should get a hand up, in my opinion.



    "We" are the taxpayers who pay for their education through our public school system. There is no such thing as an inferior college. If there is, I'd like to know which one. As for employers? We've had affirmative action in place for YEARS. Here's the Fed's position on it:

    U.S. Department of Labor - Find It By Topic - Hiring - Affirmative Action
    Re: Inferior colleges.

    Many of the "online only" colleges are not ranked highly amongst employers. A 2-year degree from the local community college in marketing would be trumped in a heartbeat by a 4-year degree from a university system. A degree from SMU in business is held in higher regard than a degree from UNT in business, etc., etc., etc. Colleges are ranked on the basis of their academic programs and the rigor with which students must address their studies. In that sense, it is entirely feasible that one college can be inferior to another.

    I currently attend a community college. The intensity and degree of difficulty present in my U.S. Govt course paled in comparison to the comparable course my friend took simultaneously at a four year school. Just one example...
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    [QUOTE=MaggieD;1059988033]There is no such thing as an inferior college. If there is, I'd like to know which one. [QUOTE]

    I am sorry Maggie I just can't agree with this. A 200 level class at BU was a 400 level class at University of South Carolina. My friend had to write a paper his freshman year, my sophomore year, and the things I gave him he didn't know about, and most of his class didn't even know about. And mind you I didn't start my major until my sophomore year so it isn't like I had a year head start on him. There are inferior colleges here in the States, unfortunately.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    [QUOTE=soccerboy22;1059988058][QUOTE=MaggieD;1059988033]There is no such thing as an inferior college. If there is, I'd like to know which one.

    I am sorry Maggie I just can't agree with this. A 200 level class at BU was a 400 level class at University of South Carolina. My friend had to write a paper his freshman year, my sophomore year, and the things I gave him he didn't know about, and most of his class didn't even know about. And mind you I didn't start my major until my sophomore year so it isn't like I had a year head start on him. There are inferior colleges here in the States, unfortunately.
    Absolutely, there are inferior schools and schools that are much better...My daughter is working on here doctorate in education...she started her first two years in a small local community college...when she metriculated she got the shock of her life...as good as her grade score was in the two year school and no matter how she studied...she was light years behind the kids that did their first two years in a 4 yr school....she admitted the two year education she received in community college was lacking.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Re: Inferior colleges.

    Many of the "online only" colleges are not ranked highly amongst employers. A 2-year degree from the local community college in marketing would be trumped in a heartbeat by a 4-year degree from a university system. A degree from SMU in business is held in higher regard than a degree from UNT in business, etc., etc., etc. Colleges are ranked on the basis of their academic programs and the rigor with which students must address their studies. In that sense, it is entirely feasible that one college can be inferior to another.

    I currently attend a community college. The intensity and degree of difficulty present in my U.S. Govt course paled in comparison to the comparable course my friend took simultaneously at a four year school. Just one example...
    In fairness, I was talking about 4-year colleges. A B.A. is always going to trump an Associates...goes without saying. I suppose I could be wrong about 4-year programs. I'm not really sure how snobbish employers are these days about where one got one's degree. But back to the discussion at hand -- affirmative action in colleges. I completely support it even if it means Princeton has room for Jose Gonzalez but not Richard Henry Warren III.

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    There is no such thing as an inferior college. If there is, I'd like to know which one.
    I am sorry Maggie I just can't agree with this. A 200 level class at BU was a 400 level class at University of South Carolina. My friend had to write a paper his freshman year, my sophomore year, and the things I gave him he didn't know about, and most of his class didn't even know about. And mind you I didn't start my major until my sophomore year so it isn't like I had a year head start on him. There are inferior colleges here in the States, unfortunately.
    Do you think that employers really care if one got one's degree from Boston University or the University of South Carolina? Maybe one's first job...but after that, it's your experience that matters. JMO.
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