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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Sig View Post
    Well then, I am sure you know better than any of us that there is something morally obscene about a welfare class white student with equal grades and SATs to that of an upper middle class black student, being passed over for admissions in favor of the black student for no other effective reason than the black student being black and the white student being white.
    So if their grades and qualifications are equal, how do you know race was the deciding factor?

    The only place where this situation would happen is in the bottom rung of the class. You're talking about a kid who may or may not have gotten into college, especially in your scenario where they have equal grades. I'd like to hear your case for why they would take the white kid in your scenario. Remember, grades and SATs are equal.


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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    You're asking him to understand nuance. It's not that marginally qualified black students are being chosen over marginally qualified white students. Obviously the next Einstein is not getting into college because his spot was taken by a black kid who can't read.
    Well yes, the unfairness perpetuated against future Einstein's is the greatest problem plaguing the education system.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know what it does do, I'm speaking from what I would like it to do. There is no reason even in theory to state that sports cannot be included somewhere in academia, particularly at the club level.
    There's every reason. By definition, playing sport is not academia.


    It's just shouldn't be a focus or requirement (beyond maybe some required PE course). If you choose to participate in sports, great. You have to keep up your academics and you get no special privilege because of it; but you're free to engage in it. University is to be the highest level of academia, followed by College, and then Community College (Trade schools are less academia and more job training). One of the problems I see is that we've mixed it up and the standards that should be present at the University level are no longer there. I believe that University should be exceedingly elitist, and that it is reserved for the best and the brightest.
    So you want to argue utopia rather than reality. I think the OP is about reality, and in this reality, your arguement against AA doesn't stand.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by EarlzP View Post
    I think every person who has the ability to go to a college or university should have the opportunity to further thier education
    they do. no one keeps you out. our problem isn't people who have the ability who can't go, it's people who are going who don't have the ability.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this cultural problem is a direct result of slavery, segregation, and discrimination.
    Call 911, we have a conservative suffering from chronic political correctess accompanied by a severe episode of acute white guilt.

    Be brave Thunder, I called the doctor and he said you should take a double dose of common sense and say three hail ronny reagans.

    Let's all join hands and bow our heads in prayer for the full recovery of this poor afflicted soul......ha-ha-ha! I love this bar, uhhh place.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    There's every reason. By definition, playing sport is not academia.
    True, but there is no reason to ban it. There is no reason to say that students can't play sports. They should be free to do so, understanding that they will get no special treatment because of it and all their academic responsibilities must be met. You can't stop people from forming clubs and arranging games though. And there is no reason to think you should.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So you want to argue utopia rather than reality. I think the OP is about reality, and in this reality, your arguement against AA doesn't stand.
    It's not just AA I'd get rid of. There are tons of dumbasses at the University level that I would say don't belong in University. They are not fit for high academia. As I said, University should be highly elitist, reserved for the best and brightest. The under performers can go to College or Community College.

    The OP is not about reality, BTW, because AA ain't going nowhere. It's about what people would desire in the system and the standards they believe should be enforced. I am on that same page.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Call 911, we have a conservative suffering from chronic political correctess accompanied by a severe episode of acute white guilt.

    Be brave Thunder, I called the doctor and he said you should take a double dose of common sense and say three hail ronny reagans.

    Let's all join hands and bow our heads in prayer for the full recovery of this poor afflicted soul......ha-ha-ha! I love this bar, uhhh place.
    He is not a conservative, I hope you are joking.

    Nice try though.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    The only way to fight racism is to engage in racism.....brilliant.
    I get it. Really the best way to fight racism is to do nothing based on those disadvantaged by race, better would be to do nothing based on race like using only SAT & ACT scores that we can believe have nothing to do with race, best would be to not even recognize race exists. Got it.

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