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Thread: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I think it is incredibly sad that people feel blacks and Hispanics etc can't compete on a level playing field....
    this is a racist attitude that is often projected by Conservatives upon Liberals.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know well what schools make allowances for and not, I know academia well. Sports does not necessarily have nothing to do with University; but the problem with sports programs in University is that they have become a focus. They should be secondary to education, not primary. There's a lot of corruption that goes along with it; particularly for the higher end Universities. You start to see some (and this isn't indicative of the whole of student-athletes, but it does happen) idiots get into college and succeed in it not based off of their academic ability, but rather on their athletic ability. That is complete horse**** IMO. Particularly when we start talking about the University level of higher education. Perhaps College and some of the lower colleges of higher education can be a bit more relaxed. But University is supposed to be the most academically diverse, rigorous, and challenging of all higher education. It should be based on performance, drive, and ability.
    But it is not. Playing sport has nothing to do with academia, if you accept it has something to do with university, then you must accept that university is more than just academia. If you know academia well, I would think you would know that universities choose students on more than academia, on so many criteria unrelated to academic scores alone that your arguement against AA just doesn't stand.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    But it is not. Playing sport has nothing to do with academia, if you accept it has something to do with university, then you must accept that university is more than just academia. If you know academia well, I would think you would know that universities choose students on more than academia, on so many criteria unrelated to academic scores alone that your arguement against AA just doesn't stand.
    I know what it does do, I'm speaking from what I would like it to do. There is no reason even in theory to state that sports cannot be included somewhere in academia, particularly at the club level. It's just shouldn't be a focus or requirement (beyond maybe some required PE course). If you choose to participate in sports, great. You have to keep up your academics and you get no special privilege because of it; but you're free to engage in it. University is to be the highest level of academia, followed by College, and then Community College (Trade schools are less academia and more job training). One of the problems I see is that we've mixed it up and the standards that should be present at the University level are no longer there. I believe that University should be exceedingly elitist, and that it is reserved for the best and the brightest.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    this is a racist attitude that is often projected by Conservatives upon Liberals.
    What is racist is that people think minority's cannot compete on an equal playing field, not who said it or why.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I don't think most people who support AA feel that in any way, shape or form, but that is a feeling that many project onto us.
    Then what other reason could it be? Because the evil white man is holding us down? Because schools that are in predominantly minority neighborhoods are not as good? If someone does not have the skills to get the grades even in a crap school, what makes people think that they can all of a sudden get them in college? Particularly based on race?

    Please explain why I and other blacks who went to school did it without affirmative action?

    This is not an attack on you, but seriously, I would like to know.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ...Please explain why I and other blacks who went to school did it without affirmative action?

    This is not an attack on you, but seriously, I would like to know.
    did you grow up in a middle-class area with middle-class parents?

    did your parents instill the value of education in you and your siblings?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Oh, come on. Blacks don't know the value of education? That's both false and insulting.
    Then it's a good thing that that's not what I said.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    did you grow up in a middle-class area with middle-class parents?
    704 East 92nd place on Chicago's South side from 1965 to 1973. Look up the neighborhood.

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    did your parents instill the value of education in you and your siblings?
    Yes. That in the black community is a cultural problem, not racial problem.

    So neither of those are an excuse for failure.

    At some point you have to except the fact that the only force that will raise us out of the **** we get into is our own people. No amount of AA, welfare etc will help. All you do is take away the drive to succeed and promote mediocrity or less as being acceptable.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    That's not a real issue, most people understand the value of higher education. There are serious problems well before the University levels that needs to be fixed, affirmative action to get minorities into schools is just a band-aid. And not a very good band-aid either. It's just something to make us all feel a little better. "Oh, I know there are problems, but we use Affirmative Action to get more of those minorities into University...aren't we great.". Something to ease our minds. Meanwhile the problems are not fixed. One of the major problems is overall K-12 funding and the quality of education from public institution to public institution. It's all over the map, the city schools are well worse than others, etc. But there's plenty of socioeconomic reasons for this too. Another major problem is corporate capitalism which shuts down economic mobility. Now people born in the hood stay in the hood, die in the hood; their children repeat the circle. It's harder and harder to get out, which leads to more frustration at the system and a rejection of the "outside" world. There are plenty of issues to tackle, but all anyone seems to want is some cosmetic solution.

    We have to get our schools in order, we have to get our affairs in order.
    I agree wholeheartedly with that as well, and I will stand beside you in support of changing those things as well.

    But until those things do get implemented, I think affirmative action can help.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    ...Yes. That in the black community is a cultural problem, not racial problem.

    So neither of those are an excuse for failure.
    this cultural problem is a direct result of slavery, segregation, and discrimination.

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