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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I don't appreciate people condemning AA, while ignoring/supporting legacy preferences. Its hypocrisy and wrong.
    Exactly. Either it is a core principle that you admit the best qualified student or you do not. AA is merely one example of not doing this. Sadly, it becomes a convenient target for those on the right with racial axes to grind. And then to watch them defend other obviously discriminatory practices is just hypocrisy in the extreme.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. Either it is a core principle that you admit the best qualified student or you do not. AA is merely one example of not doing this. Sadly, it becomes a convenient target for those on the right with racial axes to grind. And then to watch them defend other obviously discriminatory practices is just hypocrisy in the extreme.
    its especially frustrating when folks say "we should reward the best and the brightest", in order to attack AA...but then defend legacy preferences because "it brings in more money, even at the expense of having the most qualified & skilled student body".

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Exactly. Either it is a core principle that you admit the best qualified student or you do not. AA is merely one example of not doing this. Sadly, it becomes a convenient target for those on the right with racial axes to grind. And then to watch them defend other obviously discriminatory practices is just hypocrisy in the extreme.
    Cmon haymarket that is going way to far...I am all for ending Affirmative Action...and accepting students by qualification and Citizenship. That does not translate into me being a racist. Any other examples of not choosing students by qualification in the past are just that in the past...and if it came to be that being white put you to the front of the line just because your white, id be against that too.
    There is a true need to stop labeling everyone a racist that is against a racial program or anything else racial...it just makes matters a whole lot worse and not everyone has alterior motives other than what they see and believe is right or wrong about a specific thing.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There is a true need to stop labeling everyone a racist that is against a racial program or anything else racial...it just makes matters a whole lot worse and not everyone has alterior motives other than what they see and believe is right or wrong about a specific thing.
    But then you take away their favorite propaganda tool.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    They are important - but not in *that* sense. At least not for me: I don't go there to socialize and concern myself with the overall racial makeup of the school. I go there to learn and that doesn't require anything else. I guess it's just not important to me. School is school - it's not a lifestyle or a social event. Maybe that's what happens when you're older.
    Then let's note that you do not represent most people, and even if you do not care for it, it doesn't mean that it has not benefited you without you realising it. For a long period of time, people thought that trying to push women into top positions is a form of reverse-sexism as well, but many research has now found that women does contribute and improve corporate culture.

    A desire to learn - Mom and Dad forcing you to sign up for college doesn't satisfy that.
    And how do you measure that?

    All through year 1-12, I only went to school because my parents made me go to school, I did very little and I scored all As. In college, I became truly interested in what I was learning and read beyond the courses required, yet my exams were B average. On academic scores alone, it would seem I had more "desire to learn" in grade schools, it couldn't be more wrong.
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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    There is a true need to stop labeling everyone a racist that is against a racial program or anything else racial...it just makes matters a whole lot worse and not everyone has alterior motives other than what they see and believe is right or wrong about a specific thing.
    He didn't say that anyone who is against AA is a racist. He said that there are racial motivations for those who are against AA, but who support other discriminatory practices. That's a fair point worthy of discussion. The strawman you created out of his post is not.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    He didn't say that anyone who is against AA is a racist. He said that there are racial motivations for those who are against AA, but who support other discriminatory practices. That's a fair point worthy of discussion. The strawman you created out of his post is not.
    What other discrimatory practices in relation to AA ?

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

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    But then you take away their favorite propaganda tool.
    I like haymarket and I agree with him alot more than i disagree...but two men can disagree on specific points thats what makes the world go round

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    I don't appreciate people condemning AA, while ignoring/supporting legacy preferences. Its hypocrisy and wrong.
    I agree. It's especially ridiculous when they harp on the fact that AA is not based exclusively on merit and that college admissions should only be based on merit. Legacy admissions are not based on merit. Consequently, if someone thinks admissions should be only based on merit and they support legacy admissions, but not AA, it's clear there's another reason they have a problem with AA.

    It's a lot easier for me to respect the position of those who are against all non-merit based admissions decisions, but when you are against some and not others, I take your position much less seriously.

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    Re: 21st Century Racism Is Thriving In American Academe

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    Cmon haymarket that is going way to far...I am all for ending Affirmative Action...and accepting students by qualification and Citizenship. That does not translate into me being a racist. Any other examples of not choosing students by qualification in the past are just that in the past...and if it came to be that being white put you to the front of the line just because your white, id be against that too.
    There is a true need to stop labeling everyone a racist that is against a racial program or anything else racial...it just makes matters a whole lot worse and not everyone has alterior motives other than what they see and believe is right or wrong about a specific thing.
    No - I am not accusing you of racial motivations and I am sorry if it came off that way. What am saying is that some folks who scream the loudest about the evils of AA seem to have no compuntion about defending other unfair preferences as well. They key into AA and attack it like a guard dog in a junkyard keeping out a burglar but are so quick to defend the type of discriminatory preferences that benefit them and theirs.

    For some of them, their racial motivations become obvious and more than suspect. But I do not think that applies to all critics of AA.

    I would hope that everyone who is against AA because it is unfair in not admitting the best qualified college applicant also applies that standard as THE guiding principle across the board for ALL college admissions.
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