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    Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Seems to be a trend for candidates from both parties to make promises to the masses just for manipulation to get elected, but then do the opposite once in office.

    My question is...

    Should Presidents who make promises to the masses to get elected only to do the opposite once in office be looked at as traitors?

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by black hole View Post
    Seems to be a trend for candidates from both parties to make promises to the masses just for manipulation to get elected, but then do the opposite once in office.

    My question is...

    Should Presidents who make promises to the masses to get elected only to do the opposite once in office be looked at as traitors?
    No, it should not. Those promises are made out of ignorance and the lack of a crystal ball.

    Take Obama, for instance and all the promises he made concerning the war and GITMO. He made those promises, before he showed up in the Oval Office on his first day as prez. That's when the guys with the binders--the guys who aren't political appointees and don't have to worry about losing their jobs because they told the president something he didn't like--said, "Mr. President, you can't do all that **** and here is why".
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by black hole View Post
    Seems to be a trend for candidates from both parties to make promises to the masses just for manipulation to get elected, but then do the opposite once in office.

    My question is...

    Should Presidents who make promises to the masses to get elected only to do the opposite once in office be looked at as traitors?
    The Constitution contains a very specific definition of what may be prosecuted as treason in this nation.

    What you propose does not come anywhere close to meeting that definition, nor to being in any way relevant to it.

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    Treason against the United States shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    I don't even know the hell why this idea came up
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Broken promises can be intentional. They can be due to the opposition party thwarting them. They can be a simple change of the mind. They can also be due to naivete in that the candidate is unaware exactly how virtually impossible it is to get in office and simply undo something that is already established. (I understand both GWB and BO learned this lesson quickly in their early Presidential days.)

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    If apdst thinks your argument is too extreme, you have some self-reflecting to do. Obviously I voted "no". Maybe some sort of repercussions for certain levels of lying, but treason? People hang for treason.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by black hole View Post
    Seems to be a trend for candidates from both parties to make promises to the masses just for manipulation to get elected, but then do the opposite once in office.

    My question is...

    Should Presidents who make promises to the masses to get elected only to do the opposite once in office be looked at as traitors?
    Of course not. Treason has a specific meaning; this isn't even close. Besides, sometimes promises need to be broken when new situations arise.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    No. As highly informed voters we should be able to tell which campaign promises are not possible.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by black hole View Post
    Seems to be a trend for candidates from both parties to make promises to the masses just for manipulation to get elected, but then do the opposite once in office.

    My question is...

    Should Presidents who make promises to the masses to get elected only to do the opposite once in office be looked at as traitors?
    I see you are new. Welcome. I'm knid of new too. But, gee, your poll is revealing obout how simple you think things are. Explain a bit about how you think government works. Or, some examples of doing the opposit once in office.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 11-28-11 at 11:44 AM.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by black hole View Post
    Seems to be a trend for candidates from both parties to make promises to the masses just for manipulation to get elected, but then do the opposite once in office.

    My question is...

    Should Presidents who make promises to the masses to get elected only to do the opposite once in office be looked at as traitors?
    No.First of of all a president can't do squat without the senate and congress. It is not the job of congress and senate to make the president's promises come true. Now president can try to push them into putting a bill on his desk that is full of things he wants.And second, failing to uphold campaign promises is not a act of treason.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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