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Thread: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, it should not. Those promises are made out of ignorance and the lack of a crystal ball.

    Take Obama, for instance and all the promises he made concerning the war and GITMO. He made those promises, before he showed up in the Oval Office on his first day as prez. That's when the guys with the binders--the guys who aren't political appointees and don't have to worry about losing their jobs because they told the president something he didn't like--said, "Mr. President, you can't do all that **** and here is why".
    Spot on.

    Basically, anyone who actually believes that a candidate can possibly keep every campaign promise is delusional. I've never seen any politician who didn;'t make at least 50 promises that caused me to say "Yeah right, like that's ever going to happen." They might very well mean to keep their promises, but they are not always very in touch with reality.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    A promise intentionally broken is a lie, but sometimes a person running for office makes promises they didn't realize they would never have a prayer of fulfilling, that's not a lie just a big dream. The constitutional definition is extrememly concise and simple for a reason, and that does not include a broken campaign promise. As well breaking campaign promises isn't even perjury since there was no oath administered prior to attaining the office, however if the promise is a sworn oath to uphold the constitution and then extra constitutional actions are deliberately entered into then a case could be made for that charge, but then again nobody will ever be prosecuted under that standard. So, no it broken campaign promises aren't criminal, just aggravating.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    It is not traitorous to lie. Sometimes they say they will do something then find out later they can't fulfill their promise. That isn't a lie, it's politics.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    From lectlaw.com:
    This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

    The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court
    Making a bunch of stupid promises hardly qualifies to the above definition, IMO.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
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    Making a bunch of stupid promises hardly qualifies to the above definition, IMO.
    We have I believe the most lax treason law amongst the major nations. The reason for that is because of the ease at which it could be defined by the king prior to the Magna Carta. Treason should be very concise because people must have the lattitude to question things that a government does which may be extra constitutional or otherwise not reflective of our common goals and values.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    All candidate make promises to the voters. Some are kept, some are not. A candidate usually makes promises based upon things going HIS way if elected. But things don't always go as planned. Any number of variables come into play once a candidate is elected to office. Promises can be broken if the opposing political parties throw up obstacles to those promises. And, other party members (as well as some politicians from the candidates own party) will often cross party lines or get snarky over some perceived "slight" from the candidate -- and end up voting the opposite of the candidate. Know what I mean, Vern? So, candidates who honestly run for office on promises of this or that, and then once elected, are forced to break those promises for whatever reason, should not be considered traitors. If they WERE considered traitors, there would be so many of them holding office across this nation, that the governments couldn't execute them fast enough, and the prisons would explode with such over-crowding! And yes, treason is a federal offense, punishable by execution.

    However, if a candidate comes along and promises mighty things but then if elected, he fails to even make any attempts to keep those promises, or he flat-out lied to the voters to get into office...then that candidate could be considered a traitor, especially if his being elected ends up severely damaging the US in such a way that it is left vulnerable to outside influences, then he is a traitor, and should be dealt with as any traitor.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    There's a huge difference between breaking one's word and being unable to pass something through the other legislative branches of government. You may vote for a candidate thinking they have great liberal or conservative (or other) ideas, but you cannot forget that there is still a divide in this country. You cannot expect a Herman Cain to be able to pass a 9-9-9 plan just because he talks about it during the primary. And you cannot expect (for example) Obama to be able to get rid of Bush's tax cuts when Republicans are so strongly against such a move. The same can be said of Guantanamo closing. People need to be on the same page for things to pass.

    People need to realize when they are voting that not everything the candidate says will work. Instead I vote on their stances, merits and moral standards. I hardly hold what they'd "like to do" to heart. Though this does help me better understand their views on the issues.

    And things can always change, making previous ideas impossible to pass / work. The future is hardly set in stone.
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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Yup. Impeach Obama, he's an illegal Kenyan. Whatever. Bye.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    how the heck did that many people say "yes"? OF COURSE A PRESIDENT IS NOT GOING TO KEEP ALL OF HIS PROMISES! IF WE TRIED THEM FOR TREASON THEN WE WOULD HAVE DONE THAT TO ABOUT EVERY PRESIDENT! I'll bet it has something to do with the current President being Obama or something.

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    Re: Should it be treason for a President to break their promises made to get elected?

    Far too many yeses ! Children may not know, but adults should know, its the nature of American politics to make promises, always has been; this will not change anytime soon...Stretching the truth in order to win an election, NOT GOOD, but thats life, live with it.

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