View Poll Results: Do you think a national referendum would be good for the United States?

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  • Yes, congress could send it to the people, and they could invalidate a bill passed by congress

    1 5.56%
  • Yes, but it should only work in a case that the congress can send a referendum to the people

    1 5.56%
  • Yes, but only the people should be able to use it to invalidate a bill passed by congress

    6 33.33%
  • No, none whatsoever. The current system is fine.

    10 55.56%
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Thread: National Referenda

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    Re: National Referenda

    Quote Originally Posted by irviding View Post
    I wrote it all from my phone give me a break lol
    Holy **** - wow - you wrote all of that form your phone and that's all you have to say in response?

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    Re: National Referenda

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    A national referenda system isn't direct democracy. For example, there would probably be stringent rules and the difficulty of adhering to all of them would be so arduous that only matters of significance by the majority of voters could ever make the cut. One thing could be that 2/3 of a state's registered voters be required for that state to ratify a specific referendum, and probably 2/3 of the states could be required to ratify it in order to hold the referendum vote nationally.

    What we have isn't working. Congress does not function as the founding fathers envisioned. Congress is a money-based institution where laws are written based on the wishes of the highest bidder. The people have no say any more, and look what it has wrought. If there was a way for the people to legally and legitimately take back that power by controlling the most egregious abuses of congressional self-servitude, then it would be a sobering reminder of who was really supposed to be in charge of this country.
    a national referendum is direct democracy.. it cannot be accurately described in any other way.

    what we have works.... it has problems for sure.... but those problems are based in the people who are in office, not the system itself.
    the system is a good one, if we only had the courage to follow it, the intellect to understand it, and the integrity not to undermine it.

    national referendums, at this point, are illegal, unconstitutional,and impracticable
    it will be necessary to change the very fundamental structure of our government to allow them.

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    Re: National Referenda

    No, we already have a national referendum each election. We just need to remove money from the election process and have more people doing their civic duty to vote.

    We get the government we deserve IMO.
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    Re: National Referenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    No, we already have a national referendum each election. We just need to remove money from the election process and have more people doing their civic duty to vote.
    Why do we need to remove money from the process? We already have an election, how does money change that?
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    Re: National Referenda

    Ironic that we're using a poll to determine this question.
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    Re: National Referenda

    One of the reasons this issue comes up goes back to 1913. Prior to the seventeenth amendment the state governments thru the senate could prevent House bills from becoming legislation if they felt it was a national power grab. With both houses of Congress elected by the same constiuency this built in check within Congress does not exist.

    Congress is able expand its bureaucracy almost at will. I support the idea of referendum, if only to set up some form of check on Congress, given the fact its our money supporting the government.
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    Re: National Referenda

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why do we need to remove money from the process? We already have an election, how does money change that?
    Former Sen. Bill Bradley, provides an excellent primer here:

    Morning Joe: Bradley: Why campaign finance reform is needed
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    Re: National Referenda

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Ironic that we're using a poll to determine this question.
    LOL - I didn't even notice a poll was attached. LOL
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