View Poll Results: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

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    While I do feel that some of your proposals have merit,(items 1, 2, 6 and 7) , this one is a complete disaster. I am against giving 34% more power than the 66% have. Imagine leaving a football game where a you boy is all smiles waving a pennant in the air and boasting to his Dad that "we sure beat them today - 66 to 34." Only for the unsmiling papa to inform his progeny that in that league you have to get at least 2/3 of the points before you get the win.

    Now explain that to the youth of America and the rest of us while you are at it.
    Let me suggest that 2/3 majority should also apply to tax cuts.......would that make you feel better? What this proposal would do is bring LONG OVER DUE certainty to everyone and dramatically reduce the power of congress and the corruption.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Term limits are most definitely needed.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Term limits are most definitely needed.
    We already have term limits. Every one of them is limited to one term unless the voters choose to extend it for another term.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    I want to increase their pay and not add term limits. I would like them to have office space that they are required to use in one government building and, even more off the wall, nice apartments, about 1,600 sq ft, in a complex as required residences when in DC. I have this view because I think their job is difficult to learn. You might think that one gets elected, arrives with a point of view then just votes following his campaign promises. However, just the exception conditions that require the laws to be hundreds of pages long result in the requirement of a staff plus the congress persons developed intellect to find and fix what ‘special interests’ are trying to hide in bills. And there is much more to the job. I think it would take me 4 to 6 years to become fully effective. (I didn't vote, since the voting results are incorrect. We need to have the voting fixed.)

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is not the problem... as you have demonstrated. The problem is voter ignorance. It is the responsibility of the voter to inform themselves on the issues and the candidates... and then vote for whom they feel is best and is consistent with their beliefs. If they do not, that is the problem of the voter. Not the system.
    My problem is voting according to beliefs. Beliefs generally are not based on facts and are generally not easily modified. In addition they don't keep up with changes. I want voters to understand changes in their situations, what changes are OK and what are not, analyze their current conditions and causality... i.e. think critically, then vote.

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Term limits are a double edged sword. On the one hand, it would be a way to insure that some hoople-head--Kennedy, Byrd, Frank--doesn't spend 30+ years in Congress. On the other hand, it would insure that great statesmen--Landry, Beohner, Gingrich--aren't allowed to do great things for the country.
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    Actually, I see it the opposite way. Term limits WOULD allow idiots like Gingrich to not harm the country over the long haul, but have forced good people like Kennedy out.
    Then which, when it comes down to it, would you prefer? Hoople heads or no hoople heads?
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Term limits are a double edged sword. On the one hand, it would be a way to insure that some hoople-head--Kennedy, Byrd, Frank--doesn't spend 30+ years in Congress. On the other hand, it would insure that great statesmen--Landry, Beohner, Gingrich--aren't allowed to do great things for the country.
    You could say the same thing about elections.

    How about you simply let the voters decide who they want to choose to represent them?

    And hey, there have been plenty of complete losers who didn't last long in Congress, which is how it should be.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is a problem with the system. This saying "oh if you don't like someone then just vote them out" is a idiotic idea.The vast majority of voters are politically illiterate. ... So the idea that people who barely pay attention to politics are somehow going to get rid of a dirt bag in office is absurd. This is why there is so much corruption its because most of the registered voters are not paying attention.
    If that is indeed the case-- and I certainly agree with you that it is-- I still don't see how term limits are going to improve the situation. If we can't trust the voters not to re-elect old scumbags, how can we trust them not to just elect shiny new scumbags to replace them? How is electing shiny new scumbags every couple of years better than re-electing the same old scumbags year after year?

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If that is indeed the case-- and I certainly agree with you that it is-- I still don't see how term limits are going to improve the situation. If we can't trust the voters not to re-elect old scumbags, how can we trust them not to just elect shiny new scumbags to replace them? How is electing shiny new scumbags every couple of years better than re-electing the same old scumbags year after year?
    Now that I think of it, you would think the shiny new scumbag may be more enticed to do the exact problematic things faster in their last term because it's not like they have to worry about bad publicity for the next election. The information we as voters recieve is much more important to holding our representation accountable than forcing a service ceiling.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've been drinking tequila all evening, so you could get my agree to damn near anything.

    Damn near!

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