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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I never said they were stupid. Just ignorant when it comes to politics just like I am ignorant when it comes to World of Nerd Craft,Dungeons and Dragons,Twilight series and Harry Potter.
    Ok. Ignorant.


    Again the vast majority of voters are politically illiterate, So voting them out is not a option.Saying vote them out is like yelling to a crowd of deaf people that they need to immediately do something. Its not going to really do any good.
    The voters aren't deaf. And again, this is a voter issue, not a system issue.

    Most likely voters spend their time on other interests, so its not voters being apathetic.
    I disagree. For most people it's apathy, or at the least, comparative apathy.

    Part of the problem is career politicians who basically owe no allegiance to their constituents.You eliminate career politicians by enacting strict term limits, so you do eliminate part of the problem. You can't force the media to give unbiased political coverage or to make the voters actually informed about all the wrong doings of their elected officials.
    This is not the problem... as you have demonstrated. The problem is voter ignorance. It is the responsibility of the voter to inform themselves on the issues and the candidates... and then vote for whom they feel is best and is consistent with their beliefs. If they do not, that is the problem of the voter. Not the system.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Now that I think of it, maybe a series of PSAs(public service announcements) showing bad decisions that low turnout led to over the years would wake some people up. There's only one major catch though, the same people funding PSAs(the National Ad Council) are the same source of funding we are trying to clean up. DOH!
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    I am against term limits and I am against setting the salaries at lower levels than they are today as a means to reduce corruption in congress.

    The problem with corruption isn't the length of time in office or the pay, the problem comes from elected politicians having too much power. Take away most of the power and the corruption will recede. I would enact the following changes to reduce the power of those in congress.....

    1) ban anything that looks like an earmark. Every single bill should be vetted by the congressional committees and made part of the public record.

    2) every bill MUST be made available to the public for a minimum of 72 hours prior to its vote.

    3) every tax/fee/surcharge increase must receive a 2/3's majority vote in order to advance.

    4) the legislative calendar should be cut down to six months, other than national emergencies.

    5) both houses of congress, and the congressional office buildings, should be closed for six months and the elected officials should be required to return to their states and live with the people they are supposed to represent

    6) the personal calendars of every elected official should be 100% transparent and a detailed record of what each politicians did on each day should also be 100% transparent........I see absolutely no reason why we the voters do not know what are OUR employees (congress) are doing when they are working on our nickle.

    7) every bill should have extensive footnotes for the person or persons that constructed the language in a bill. This means every word should be traced back to a person(s) that proposed the language.

    8) ban all paid-for trips for congress. It makes me sick to my stomach when I read about the extensive boondoggles members of congress enjoy. If they need in formation on a specific country, pick up the damn phone or use the computer to talk to knowledgeable people. The notion a member of congress has to fly to Country X (which just so happens to have great beaches or wonderful restaurants or spectacular ski resorts) is BS.

    9) there should not be ANY pension benefits for any member of congress

    I could add more to this list but will stop here, I need to go string up more xmas lights and try to forget about the massive clusterfork in DC.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

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    3) every tax/fee/surcharge increase must receive a 2/3's majority vote in order to advance.
    While I do feel that some of your proposals have merit,(items 1, 2, 6 and 7) , this one is a complete disaster. I am against giving 34% more power than the 66% have. Imagine leaving a football game where a you boy is all smiles waving a pennant in the air and boasting to his Dad that "we sure beat them today - 66 to 34." Only for the unsmiling papa to inform his progeny that in that league you have to get at least 2/3 of the points before you get the win.

    Now explain that to the youth of America and the rest of us while you are at it.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Ok. Ignorant.




    The voters aren't deaf. And again, this is a voter issue, not a system issue.



    I disagree. For most people it's apathy, or at the least, comparative apathy.



    This is not the problem... as you have demonstrated. The problem is voter ignorance. It is the responsibility of the voter to inform themselves on the issues and the candidates... and then vote for whom they feel is best and is consistent with their beliefs. If they do not, that is the problem of the voter. Not the system.
    Can you honestly sit there and say you can make voters less apathetic and actually care enough to vote out the politicians who are scumbags? You can't heck no one can't so the the solution is term limits. Saying this is merely a voter issue means you want things to continue as they are because both you and I know that the vast majority of registered are ignorant when it comes to politics and those people will continue to vote for the same clowns. Most people who spend time on political forums and and actually look at the candidates might as well be the political versions of trekkie nerds and sports junkies.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    No !
    In order to motivate Congress, we need better congressmen, not the idiots we have now, on both sides.
    At one time voters had to face a type of test, and pay a toll tax, good ideas, but criminally misused.
    Now, how about an IQ test for congressional candidates ??

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I am against term limits and I am against setting the salaries at lower levels than they are today as a means to reduce corruption in congress.

    The problem with corruption isn't the length of time in office or the pay, the problem comes from elected politicians having too much power. Take away most of the power and the corruption will recede. I would enact the following changes to reduce the power of those in congress.....

    1) ban anything that looks like an earmark. Every single bill should be vetted by the congressional committees and made part of the public record.

    2) every bill MUST be made available to the public for a minimum of 72 hours prior to its vote.

    3) every tax/fee/surcharge increase must receive a 2/3's majority vote in order to advance.

    4) the legislative calendar should be cut down to six months, other than national emergencies.

    5) both houses of congress, and the congressional office buildings, should be closed for six months and the elected officials should be required to return to their states and live with the people they are supposed to represent

    6) the personal calendars of every elected official should be 100% transparent and a detailed record of what each politicians did on each day should also be 100% transparent........I see absolutely no reason why we the voters do not know what are OUR employees (congress) are doing when they are working on our nickle.

    7) every bill should have extensive footnotes for the person or persons that constructed the language in a bill. This means every word should be traced back to a person(s) that proposed the language.

    8) ban all paid-for trips for congress. It makes me sick to my stomach when I read about the extensive boondoggles members of congress enjoy. If they need in formation on a specific country, pick up the damn phone or use the computer to talk to knowledgeable people. The notion a member of congress has to fly to Country X (which just so happens to have great beaches or wonderful restaurants or spectacular ski resorts) is BS.

    9) there should not be ANY pension benefits for any member of congress

    I could add more to this list but will stop here, I need to go string up more xmas lights and try to forget about the massive clusterfork in DC.
    A whole slew of good ideas, IMO.
    Refinement is necessary of course.

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    1) ban anything that looks like an earmark. Every single bill should be vetted by the congressional committees and made part of the public record.
    Earmarks go through the same process as any other legislation, and are public.

    2) every bill MUST be made available to the public for a minimum of 72 hours prior to its vote.
    Just enough to for the public to completely misunderstand what they're reading!

    3) every tax/fee/surcharge increase must receive a 2/3's majority vote in order to advance.
    No. You can't just declare that it's harder to pass something just because you don't like it.

    5) both houses of congress, and the congressional office buildings, should be closed for six months and the elected officials should be required to return to their states and live with the people they are supposed to represent
    They spend plenty of time at home mixing with the people. Check the calendar of your rep.

    6) the personal calendars of every elected official should be 100% transparent and a detailed record of what each politicians did on each day should also be 100% transparent........I see absolutely no reason why we the voters do not know what are OUR employees (congress) are doing when they are working on our nickle.
    I sure do. I don't want them revealing every single thing. I trust them enough to have a few private conversations and meetings.

    7) every bill should have extensive footnotes for the person or persons that constructed the language in a bill. This means every word should be traced back to a person(s) that proposed the language.
    That's basically how it works when amendments are offered. As for footnotes, come on. Don't use up even more of their time.

    8) ban all paid-for trips for congress. It makes me sick to my stomach when I read about the extensive boondoggles members of congress enjoy. If they need in formation on a specific country, pick up the damn phone or use the computer to talk to knowledgeable people. The notion a member of congress has to fly to Country X (which just so happens to have great beaches or wonderful restaurants or spectacular ski resorts) is BS.
    Agree. Except sometimes they actually go somewhere worth going, like Iraq or whatever.

    9) there should not be ANY pension benefits for any member of congress
    They should get the same benefits we all get, including pensions.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Campaign and campaign finance reform are musts, right now, the congressmen spend far too much time and money in running for office..
    No to term limits, at this time.
    Their pay and staffs are too large, as well, IMO...
    Anything to curb their "power", even term limits, even if I am against these..

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Term limits do not bother me. I am good if we have them or if we don't.

    However, I do think that a politicians wage should be the average wage of their state X5, coupled with only campaign donations from individuals of $5000 or more, no commercials from outside entities that mention their names positively or negatively, a robust public financing law, no stock market activity, and the politician has to wait 10 years (while still receiving their salary) before doing any sort of private sector work.
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