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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Not at all. I never mind seeing a member... even one I often disagree with make a good post. In fact, I rather like seeing things like that. Shows that even folks who can disagree on most things can find some common ground.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I've been drinking tequila all evening, so you could get my agree to damn near anything.

    Damn near!
    This is quite tempting... OK... can you agree to vote for CaptainCourtesy for President in 2012?

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    This is quite tempting... OK... can you agree to vote for CaptainCourtesy for President in 2012?
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    This is an idea I keep hearing thrown about, and was wondering DP's opinion on it.

    Would setting term limits for congresspeople (4 for Representatives, 2 for Senators) as well as changing their wage to one in line with the average income of an American citizen help force congress to be more focused on serving the people rather than simply serving themselves? Or would it simply make them more likely to seek out more cash from lobbyists and make it easier to insert shills for a specific group in a race?
    I support term limits. Too much of America has already been duped into thinking that parasite lifers are actually skilled politicians with lots & lots of "experience".

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    That's not a problem with the system and no reason to create term limits.
    That is a problem with the system. This saying "oh if you don't like someone then just vote them out" is a idiotic idea.The vast majority of voters are politically illiterate.This is why there is there this funnel effect with the presidential elections being the wide part of the funnel and the city council and local school board being the really skinny part of the funnel.Most registered voters only know what the mainstream media chooses to tell them assuming they do not go oh politics who wants to watch this boring **** and changes the channel. So the idea that people who barely pay attention to politics are somehow going to get rid of a dirt bag in office is absurd. This is why there is so much corruption its because most of the registered voters are not paying attention.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is a problem with the system. This saying "oh if you don't like someone then just vote them out" is a idiotic idea.The vast majority of voters are politically illiterate.
    Voters being stupid is not a problem with the system. It's a problem with the voters. The system's fine. Don't like a candidate... vote him out. The problem is that the voters are too apathetic to do the research.

    This is why there is there this funnel effect with the presidential elections being the wide part of the funnel and the city council and local school board being the really skinny part of the funnel.Most registered voters only know what the mainstream media chooses to tell them assuming they do not go oh politics who wants to watch this boring **** and changes the channel.
    Not a problem with the system. A problem with the media. You're saying "we have a flat tire, so let's fix the engine."
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That is a problem with the system. This saying "oh if you don't like someone then just vote them out" is a idiotic idea.The vast majority of voters are politically illiterate.This is why there is there this funnel effect with the presidential elections being the wide part of the funnel and the city council and local school board being the really skinny part of the funnel.Most registered voters only know what the mainstream media chooses to tell them assuming they do not go oh politics who wants to watch this boring **** and changes the channel.
    Bottom line, dude!

    Prime example: a guy I work with, huge Rush hatin' Obama lovin' Democrat and admittedly has never voted in a single election in his life and he's 30 y/o.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Why? What reason would a lobbyist have to funnel money to someone who can't run for reelection? And what reason would a politician have to accept a lobbyist's money if they aren't running for reelection?
    Those lobbyists are still going to influence politicians during their term, though. And do so to a greater degree since those Congressmen are more naive regarding the influence of lobbyist gifts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I disagree. It seems to me that the ones who are best in tune with their constituents are the ones who have been in Congress for the least amount of time. The longer they've been there, the more insulated they are, and the more important their DC connections become relative to their local connections.
    That's because DC connections ARE more important relative to their local connections. But it also must be understood that while Congressmen are elected to and representing local constituents, they are still making laws that affect the whole nation. Which is why national groups deserve to lobby them.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    Those lobbyists are still going to influence politicians during their term, though. And do so to a greater degree since those Congressmen are more naive regarding the influence of lobbyist gifts.
    I find it highly dubious that lobbyists take advantage of bright-eyed rookies, who eventually become better about steering clear of them. The most corrupt members of Congress tend to be the lifers.

    That's because DC connections ARE more important relative to their local connections. But it also must be understood that while Congressmen are elected to and representing local constituents, they are still making laws that affect the whole nation. Which is why national groups deserve to lobby them.
    Then your previous point about them getting a feel for the pulse of their constituents is both irrelevant and incorrect, if A) you agree that they build DC connections over time, and B) you think that's a good thing. As for national groups lobbying them, I have no problem with it...if it's of the "we think you should pass H.R. 101 because of X, Y, and Z" rather than "we think you should pass H.R. 101 because it will be good for your reelection campaign funds." The latter situation would be greatly mitigated if congresspeople were term limited.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Voters being stupid is not a problem with the system.
    I never said they were stupid. Just ignorant when it comes to politics just like I am ignorant when it comes to World of Nerd Craft,Dungeons and Dragons,Twilight series and Harry Potter.

    It's a problem with the voters. The system's fine. Don't like a candidate... vote him out.
    Again the vast majority of voters are politically illiterate, So voting them out is not a option.Saying vote them out is like yelling to a crowd of deaf people that they need to immediately do something. Its not going to really do any good.

    The problem is that the voters are too apathetic to do the research.
    Most likely voters spend their time on other interests, so its not voters being apathetic.


    Not a problem with the system. A problem with the media. You're saying "we have a flat tire, so let's fix the engine."
    Part of the problem is career politicians who basically owe no allegiance to their constituents.You eliminate career politicians by enacting strict term limits, so you do eliminate part of the problem. You can't force the media to give unbiased political coverage or to make the voters actually informed about all the wrong doings of their elected officials.
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