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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    This is an idea I keep hearing thrown about, and was wondering DP's opinion on it.

    Would setting term limits for congresspeople (4 for Representatives, 2 for Senators) as well as changing their wage to one in line with the average income of an American citizen help force congress to be more focused on serving the people rather than simply serving themselves? Or would it simply make them more likely to seek out more cash from lobbyists and make it easier to insert shills for a specific group in a race?
    I voted for term limits. Then you verbally through in changing their pay. I have no problem with what they make. They probably ought to get a COLA like others do. It's a taxing job. ()

    We shouldn't have nor should we need career politicians. We need representatives of the people. Period. An incumbant has such an advantage that it tilts the scales away from "fair" toward "just because." Also, those Congressmen (most of them) who spend their whole term in Congress planning for their re-election? At least a 1/4 of them would, hopefully, be acting purely in the interests of the people. JMVHO.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    I picked other.I think term limits would just make it harder for them to something wrong. It wouldn't stop any corruption. I do support term limits. Serving in office should be seen a privilege not a long term career.I think there should be two terms for each office, no voting for their own pay, no benefits, no retirement, no secret service once your term is up, no trading stocks while in office, no outside income while in office.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Term limits are just a cop out for the voters. There are term limits - they're called "elections." If you feel that strongly about the incumbent, vote for the other guy.
    That would be true if it wasn't for the fact that most registered voters do not pay attention to what their elected officials do.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Seems a bit off-the-mark to try to lean on the 'national average' when it's average but not the norm: people's perks and benefits increase and improve as their value in corporation/business/society improves and increases.
    in that case, they're lucky to get the national average.

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm for tying their salary and benefits to the national average.

    especially vacation and health care options.

    also, if tax revenue drops, they can be laid off and rehired as independent contractors.
    Why not tie wage and befits for what their state average is?
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Why not tie wage and befits for what their state average is?
    i'd entertain that option, certainly.

    they need to be more in touch with constituents and less in touch with elites.

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheBook View Post
    This is an idea I keep hearing thrown about, and was wondering DP's opinion on it.

    Would setting term limits for congresspeople (4 for Representatives, 2 for Senators) as well as changing their wage to one in line with the average income of an American citizen help force congress to be more focused on serving the people rather than simply serving themselves? Or would it simply make them more likely to seek out more cash from lobbyists and make it easier to insert shills for a specific group in a race?
    I don't want to set term limits because I believe in the value of professional politicians. However, I do believe in age limits and would like to set them at 75. I think that at about that age a politician wouldn't be able to fully grasp the nature of the technological advances in all industries to effectively legislate them.

    I would, however, like to see something done with regards to congressional pay. I don't know if average wages would be a good way to base it on. Perhaps a better way is to require all congressional raises to be approved by a national referendum or by approval by a majority of state legislatures.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    i'm for tying their salary and benefits to the national average.

    especially vacation and health care options.

    also, if tax revenue drops, they can be laid off and rehired as independent contractors.
    What about the whole, "representation", thing? Where will my constitutional rights be, if my congressman gets laid off?
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Term limits would definitely be a good idea for reducing corruption. As for tying their wage increases to median wage increases...meh. I doubt it would have much of an impact.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Seems to me that term limits, by themselves, would make matters worse. If politicians are lured by money and power, term limits would entice them to be even more aggressive to accumulate what they can while they can. I'm really not concerned with length of office, and I believe citizens should retain the right to vote for whomever they want. I think it's the influence of outside money that is the biggest problem and the most easily fixable. Get rid of outside money, and much of the problem goes away. Though I do think that most politicians are corrupted more by power than money... not that the money isn't desirable in its own right, of course.

    Except for mandating that they live under the same laws they pass for us, I don't know what can be done about the power aspect.

    Other points made..

    Pensions: A pension similar to a 401k while in office (percentage of income limits, matching money up to percentage limits if 'profitable', etc.), but not a 401k to avoid conflict of interest, that must be rolled over to a private 401k with 90 days after leaving office.

    Benefits: Some want to provide no benefits at all. Really? Sorry, no. Same type of benefits a person working for a large corporation would get. Individual contributions, etc.

    Pay: No, none of this national referendum crap. I do like having state legislators having input, though.
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