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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    ...... and I have time to visit my constituents, develop an understanding of their desires, needs, etc. I think this would take some a few years and would be a big effort on my part. I think most of the posts on this thread have this backwards.
    No one should run for office if they don't already know the constituents and their concerns. No one should vote for a person they believed did not understand the needs of the constituents. I would also argue the longer a person stays in office, the potential for corruption increases. Politicians that have served for a decade or two have marinated in special interests, quid pro quos, favors, etc. With that said, if the constituents are happy with that reality, they have the right to continue to vote for the compromised hack.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    No one should run for office if they don't already know the constituents and their concerns. No one should vote for a person they believed did not understand the needs of the constituents. I would also argue the longer a person stays in office, the potential for corruption increases. Politicians that have served for a decade or two have marinated in special interests, quid pro quos, favors, etc. With that said, if the constituents are happy with that reality, they have the right to continue to vote for the compromised hack.
    Unfortunately, we all know that people tend to vote for incumbents without thinking about it. Unless the incumbent has done something really, really, really awful, and maybe even if they have, they stand a much better chance of being re-elected, simply because of their name recognition. Most voters don't even know what the incumbent's platform is or what they're supposed to do for the community, they know the name, they vote that way, especially because most districts are specifically set up so that one party gets elected almost without trying.

    That's why we need random redistricting often, plus keeping the lifetime politicians off the ballots entirely.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    No one should run for office if they don't already know the constituents and their concerns. No one should vote for a person they believed did not understand the needs of the constituents. ...
    And how long do you think it takes to "know the constituents and their concerns" and to know how to get them what they need? People thought my job as a systems architect was easy, all I had to do was to look up the solution in one of my text books. I suspect that you already know this stuff. Where did you learn it? How long did it take?
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Unfortunately, we all know that people tend to vote for incumbents without thinking about it. Unless the incumbent has done something really, really, really awful, and maybe even if they have, they stand a much better chance of being re-elected, simply because of their name recognition. Most voters don't even know what the incumbent's platform is or what they're supposed to do for the community, they know the name, they vote that way, especially because most districts are specifically set up so that one party gets elected almost without trying.

    That's why we need random redistricting often, plus keeping the lifetime politicians off the ballots entirely.
    No we don't. Who do you think you are to declare that incumbents aren't good enough? The voters are choosing them alot. That's democracy.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No we don't. Who do you think you are to declare that incumbents aren't good enough? The voters are choosing them alot. That's democracy.
    Which is why Thomas Jefferson introduced public education, because he said that in order to be a democracy, it must be well educated and intelligent. When the public is ignorant, the system fails. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

    Jefferson set forth four standards for a healthy electorate:

    1. "that democracy cannot long exist without enlightenment.
    2. that it cannot function without wise and honest officials.
    3. that talent and virtue, needed in a free society, should be educated regardless of wealth, birth or other accidental condition.
    4. that the children of the poor must be thus educated at common expense."

    Unfortunately, we have the poor dropping out of school at an alarming rate, greater than 50% in many urban areas, we have dishonest officials and people are not enlightened or educated concerning political issues. You can put a pen in the hand of a chimp and get a random vote. Most people are hardly that intelligent.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is why Thomas Jefferson introduced public education, because he said that in order to be a democracy, it must be well educated and intelligent. When the public is ignorant, the system fails. "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."

    Jefferson set forth four standards for a healthy electorate:

    1. "that democracy cannot long exist without enlightenment.
    2. that it cannot function without wise and honest officials.
    3. that talent and virtue, needed in a free society, should be educated regardless of wealth, birth or other accidental condition.
    4. that the children of the poor must be thus educated at common expense."

    Unfortunately, we have the poor dropping out of school at an alarming rate, greater than 50% in many urban areas, we have dishonest officials and people are not enlightened or educated concerning political issues. You can put a pen in the hand of a chimp and get a random vote. Most people are hardly that intelligent.
    Then impose some kind of intelligence test for voting eligibility.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Then impose some kind of intelligence test for voting eligibility.
    I'm all for that. Until we do though, term limits and financing limits achieve many of the same goals.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm all for that. Until we do though, term limits and financing limits achieve many of the same goals.
    No it doesn't. It just takes more choices away from all of us. You're just assuming that the smart choice is always a non-incumbent, which is silly.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No it doesn't. It just takes more choices away from all of us. You're just assuming that the smart choice is always a non-incumbent, which is silly.
    I'm not saying that at all, but since I don't think we have *ANY* good choices currently in power and we all seem to agree that politics corrupts absolutely, I don't think there's much of a defense in continuing to do things the same way we have, especially since the original intent of the system demonstrably no longer applies.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I'm not saying that at all, but since I don't think we have *ANY* good choices currently in power and we all seem to agree that politics corrupts absolutely, I don't think there's much of a defense in continuing to do things the same way we have, especially since the original intent of the system demonstrably no longer applies.
    No we don't "all seem to agree that politics corrupts absolutely,". I've observed corruption in the military, small private businesses, large corporations and in government; but, none of it absolute.

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