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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by conservativeguy View Post
    I am against term limits and I am against setting the salaries at lower levels than they are today as a means to reduce corruption in congress.

    The problem with corruption isn't the length of time in office or the pay, the problem comes from elected politicians having too much power. Take away most of the power and the corruption will recede. I would enact the following changes to reduce the power of those in congress.....

    1) ban anything that looks like an earmark. Every single bill should be vetted by the congressional committees and made part of the public record.

    2) every bill MUST be made available to the public for a minimum of 72 hours prior to its vote.

    3) every tax/fee/surcharge increase must receive a 2/3's majority vote in order to advance.

    4) the legislative calendar should be cut down to six months, other than national emergencies.

    5) both houses of congress, and the congressional office buildings, should be closed for six months and the elected officials should be required to return to their states and live with the people they are supposed to represent

    6) the personal calendars of every elected official should be 100% transparent and a detailed record of what each politicians did on each day should also be 100% transparent........I see absolutely no reason why we the voters do not know what are OUR employees (congress) are doing when they are working on our nickle.

    7) every bill should have extensive footnotes for the person or persons that constructed the language in a bill. This means every word should be traced back to a person(s) that proposed the language.

    8) ban all paid-for trips for congress. It makes me sick to my stomach when I read about the extensive boondoggles members of congress enjoy. If they need in formation on a specific country, pick up the damn phone or use the computer to talk to knowledgeable people. The notion a member of congress has to fly to Country X (which just so happens to have great beaches or wonderful restaurants or spectacular ski resorts) is BS.

    9) there should not be ANY pension benefits for any member of congress

    I could add more to this list but will stop here, I need to go string up more xmas lights and try to forget about the massive clusterfork in DC.
    You have some great and though provoking adeas here. Let's see...

    1) Agreed. I've said for a long time that every piece of legislation should be restricted to a single issue. No more fire stations for Montana in a bill dealing with hurricane emergency relief in Florida, for example. If the fire station is needed and worthy it can stand on its own merits.

    2) Agreed, though I might make it a week.

    3) Not sure. 66.7% seems too high to me, though I could go for 55%. 50%+1 doesn't really bother me, either.

    4) Agreed.

    5) I stop short at "required". I'm not in favor of restricting a person's whereabouts like that. Plus, these days a person can effectively work away from the home or office. Maybe require a minimum numbers of days in their home states/districts and let them choose which days.

    6) Not sure about this one, either. While they are technically 'on call' 24/7, they are entitled to some private time as well.

    7) I've never heard this before, but i like it.

    8) I like this. I would except trips to and from Washington DC at the beginning and end of their sessions, though. That is legitimate. Anything else is on their dime.

    And while we're at it, let's ban governors and presidents from touring disaster areas. It's just a glorified photo op and they're only getting in the way. They can still get effective reports, and issue opinions and direction, all while staying out of the way and letting disaster relief people do their work without tripping over unnecessary Secret Service people and their various entourages.

    9) Disagree. Just because they are in public office does not mean they should forgo legitimate estate planning for themselves and their families. I'd let them have a pension that operates like a 401k (but not a private 401k to avoid conflict of interest), and subject to all rules and limitations that private 401k plans are allowed. Then, they'd be required to roll it over into a private IRA within 90 days of leaving office.

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    And while we're at it, let's ban governors and presidents from touring disaster areas. It's just a glorified photo op and they're only getting in the way. They can still get effective reports, and issue opinions and direction, all while staying out of the way and letting disaster relief people do their work without tripping over unnecessary Secret Service people and their various entourages.
    Yet if they don't do it, they get bashed for it. People want the photo ops. Even when they complain about them.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yet if they don't do it, they get bashed for it. People want the photo ops. Even when they complain about them.
    Unfortunately, I know you're right. I can see the old lady being interviewed on the news now...

    "He didn't even care enough to come down and see what was gong on!"

    To which my response would be, "Well, what the hell was HE going to physically do for you?"

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    You have some great and though provoking adeas here. Let's see...

    1) Agreed. I've said for a long time that every piece of legislation should be restricted to a single issue. No more fire stations for Montana in a bill dealing with hurricane emergency relief in Florida, for example. If the fire station is needed and worthy it can stand on its own merits.

    2) Agreed, though I might make it a week.

    3) Not sure. 66.7% seems too high to me, though I could go for 55%. 50%+1 doesn't really bother me, either.

    4) Agreed.

    5) I stop short at "required". I'm not in favor of restricting a person's whereabouts like that. Plus, these days a person can effectively work away from the home or office. Maybe require a minimum numbers of days in their home states/districts and let them choose which days.

    6) Not sure about this one, either. While they are technically 'on call' 24/7, they are entitled to some private time as well.

    7) I've never heard this before, but i like it.

    8) I like this. I would except trips to and from Washington DC at the beginning and end of their sessions, though. That is legitimate. Anything else is on their dime.

    And while we're at it, let's ban governors and presidents from touring disaster areas. It's just a glorified photo op and they're only getting in the way. They can still get effective reports, and issue opinions and direction, all while staying out of the way and letting disaster relief people do their work without tripping over unnecessary Secret Service people and their various entourages.

    9) Disagree. Just because they are in public office does not mean they should forgo legitimate estate planning for themselves and their families. I'd let them have a pension that operates like a 401k (but not a private 401k to avoid conflict of interest), and subject to all rules and limitations that private 401k plans are allowed. Then, they'd be required to roll it over into a private IRA within 90 days of leaving office.
    I think you and I are on the same page. I like your suggestions. The way to fight corruption is to eliminate the reason why people try to corrupt congress, make congress and the individual congressman/woman less important.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    No it would not. 34 should not be able to trump 66 anywhere but Wonderland at a Mad Hatter tea party.
    . Never been to that party but will defer to your knowledge. I see no reason why our tax and spending policies should be all over the board. I think the volatility in those policies does nothing but depress the willingness of investors to deploy capital and take risks.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    If you make this "the voters are stupid and need to be protected from themselves" argument, it means you don't believe in democracy at all. And it means you believe you're special, in other words, you're arrogant.
    Damn straight I'm arrogant. So what? We need an educated electorate who can vote intelligently. We do not currently have that. It's clear when we have large numbers of people who go to the polls that they vote for asinine things that only benefit them, while trying to screw everyone else over. That's no way to run a country. You could have Hitler running for President and if he said the right things, he'd get elected in a heartbeat and we all know that's the truth.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Getting too close to a dictatorship, IMO.
    There was a time when we had politicians who ran for office to serve the public good. What happened to those people? Tell me how to get them back and I'll be more than happy to change my mind. So long as it's all a bunch of power-hungry, self-serving slimeballs in office, no thanks.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So if you don't know if you are, you probably shouldn't be going around saying others are.
    Why not? I am practically by definition more objective about other people than I am about myself.

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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    If that is indeed the case-- and I certainly agree with you that it is-- I still don't see how term limits are going to improve the situation. If we can't trust the voters not to re-elect old scumbags, how can we trust them not to just elect shiny new scumbags to replace them? How is electing shiny new scumbags every couple of years better than re-electing the same old scumbags year after year?
    Who do you think will do more damage?

    A.A scumbag who has been on in office for 10-20 plus years with lots of influence and seniority, who knows the ropes and can possibly be elected to more terms.

    B.A scumbag fresh off the street,does not know the ropes, just elected and only has the chance of getting elected to one more term in office and when his or her terms are up there will be the chance that scumbag will actually being replaced by someone decent.


    I do not think term limits will completely eliminate corruption but it will help minimize it. A lot of illnesses and diseases can easily be nipped in the butt if they are caught early.
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    Re: Would setting term limits and wages tied to average wage help motivate congress?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A.A scumbag who has been on in office for 10-20 plus years with lots of influence and seniority, who knows the ropes and can possibly be elected to more terms.

    B.A scumbag fresh off the street,does not know the ropes, just elected and only has the chance of getting elected to one more term in office and when his or her terms are up there will be the chance that scumbag will actually being replaced by someone decent.
    Scumbag A, because he has more time. But... you're comparing one scumbag A to one scumbag B, when the reality is that you would have ten scumbag Bs for every one scumbag A. And in that case, I absolutely believe that scumbag A is the better option.

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