View Poll Results: Is this add accurate, dishonest, or does it cross the line?

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  • The add is accurate and does not distort Obama's words

    39 46.99%
  • The add is dishonest

    24 28.92%
  • The add is dishonest and crosses a line beyond the standard political add distortions

    18 21.69%
  • Other, do not know

    2 2.41%
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Apparently Romney took a quote out of context and edited from a Obama speech where Obama did mostly the same thing, implying that the quote was McCain's position. I would like to see honesty in politics, but that is not going to happen, and I think both speeches are wrong.

    The bottom line is that it is up to the voter to sort out the data provided and arrive at the best answer for themselves. IMO that is just what participation in forums and the internet does. I do not agree with many on here or other forums, but my information base is expanded.
    Baloney. Obama did NOT do the same thing. Please show me where Obama quoted somebody who was quoting somebody and they damn well knew it.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    A political Ad being dishonest!? We must call Superman! Isnít dishonestly in the definition of a political Ad?
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Which is why I said it could get worse.
    i don't share your fears...



    No, let's be honest what that ruling did. It gave corporations the right to do it. You and I always had the right to say whatever we wanted. McCain-Fiengold was a bad idea, but the ruling is worse.
    ... not really... corporations an unions were never banned from independent expenditures on all electioneering communications... they were free to spend as much as they wanted on newpapers ads and published media... they were only banned from doing so pertaining to TV and radio, and similar media... which, to me, created a rather arbitrary limit on an existing right.
    they had ot do it that way, or else newpapers and print media couldn't be in the business of electioneering ( as they have been since our inception)

    you had the odd environment of allowing certain corporations full speech rights ( media), while barring certain ,arbitrary, aspects of other corporations and unions speech rights... it was quite simply, bad, unconstitutional, law... and it never worked as advertised... as evident by the ever increasing amount of electioneering communications and independent expenditures.

    And this is where I know you are just reading far too much into my comments. I never once said/implied that speech should be controled. All I said was that negative campaign has the potential to get worse because of the overturn of McCain-Fiengold.
    it had the potential to be worse before 2002... why wasn't it worse then?
    had it been "better" between the years of 2002 and 2010, i could almost understand why folks have the fears they do... but it wasn't better... negative ads/electioneering expenditures were more prevalent under McCain Fiengold than they were before it...

    in any event, i'm ok with negative ads... i have no problem with them overall.
    if there are lies and untruths, then we can address them , but there is nothing wrong with negative campaign ads as an institution.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Baloney. Obama did NOT do the same thing. Please show me where Obama quoted somebody who was quoting somebody and they damn well knew it.
    he quoted someone who was not part of the McCain campaign, and attributed the quote to the McCain campaign...which is a bit dishonest

    now Romney is attributing the quote to Obama.. which is also dishonest.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't explain it.. as I see these polls as completely and utterly unimportant..... I won't spend time worry about any conspiracies that may or may not exist behind debate site polls.

    let's say your theory is correct, and Romney has people working to skew the numbers of this poll.... ok, so what?... did you magically change your mind that the ad is dishonest now that the numbers don't match your belief?... do you assume others will change their mind?
    The fact is that DP members with the proper knowledge can vote more than once in polls in this sub forum. That in a nutshell is the dishonesty. Had Redress put this poll in the 2012 US Presidential Election sub forum this could not have happened.


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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    I think it's dishonest, but it doesn't cross the line or go beyond what typical politicians say/do.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    No, let's be honest what that ruling did. It gave corporations the right to do it. You and I always had the right to say whatever we wanted. McCain-Fiengold was a bad idea, but the ruling is worse.
    False.

    Corporations, along with any other non-human group, have always had free speech rights until McCain-Fiengold put a limit on some of those rights in 2003. CU simply overturned that law, restoring an existing right that corporations already had. And CU did not in any way declare that this right was based on corporations being "people" either. That issue was not a part of the decision.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Their are "pros" on the internet. Paid to support/defend various positions.
    Trust me - nobody would pay money for anyone to post here.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So how would you interpret the glaring disparity in these numbers when you click on who voted for which alternative?
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    The fact is that DP members with the proper knowledge can vote more than once in polls in this sub forum. That in a nutshell is the dishonesty. Had Redress put this poll in the 2012 US Presidential Election sub forum this could not have happened.
    i've seen your hyperpartisan posts, honesty is not a high priority with you... it's not as high of a priority than your political agenda, anyways.

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