View Poll Results: Is this add accurate, dishonest, or does it cross the line?

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  • The add is accurate and does not distort Obama's words

    39 46.99%
  • The add is dishonest

    24 28.92%
  • The add is dishonest and crosses a line beyond the standard political add distortions

    18 21.69%
  • Other, do not know

    2 2.41%
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I don't interpret the "glaring disparity"... it's an obscure debate site poll.. it's not worth putting any thought into it.

    the issue itself is of more importance that the votes in the poll.
    Really!?!?!?!

    I click on the number of votes - 27 that the ad is legit - and I see the names of two people who are members.
    I click on the number of votes for the other two alternatives critical of the ad and I see all 21 names who voted for these.

    That in and of itself is noteworthy.

    I suspect this will happen again and again and again in the coming year. How would you explain this?
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Negative campaigning because before a candidate could only go so negative without it hurting his campaign. Now that anyone can launch ads it can go much more negative negative because the ads may not hurt the candidates.
    need I remind you of Swiftboaters?... they existed before the CU decision.... so did Micheal Moore... and and whole sh*tton of private group launching negative campaign ads....

    all CU did was remove unconstitutional limits, from McCain-Fiengold, on free speech... the government can't tell you , pertaining to political speech, what you can say, when you can say it, or how much you can spend on getting your message out there.

    I guess in terms of "better or worse", it would be "best" if the government strictly controlled all political speech from every citizen or organization.. it would be "best" if they told you what to say, when you can say it, and how much you are allowed to spend saying it... but we kind run onto problem with that, as we generally prize being free in our speech... especially political speech

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Really!?!?!?!

    I click on the number of votes - 27 that the ad is legit - and I see the names of two people who are members.
    I click on the number of votes for the other two alternatives critical of the ad and I see all 21 names who voted for these.

    That in and of itself is noteworthy.

    I suspect this will happen again and again and again in the coming year. How would you explain this?
    I don't explain it.. as I see these polls as completely and utterly unimportant..... I won't spend time worry about any conspiracies that may or may not exist behind debate site polls.

    let's say your theory is correct, and Romney has people working to skew the numbers of this poll.... ok, so what?... did you magically change your mind that the ad is dishonest now that the numbers don't match your belief?... do you assume others will change their mind?

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    The add is accurate and does not distort Obama's words
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    To be fair, I said earlier that I only voted that way to be a dick, so it's not really accurate.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Apparently Romney took a quote out of context and edited from a Obama speech where Obama did mostly the same thing, implying that the quote was McCain's position. I would like to see honesty in politics, but that is not going to happen, and I think both speeches are wrong.

    The bottom line is that it is up to the voter to sort out the data provided and arrive at the best answer for themselves. IMO that is just what participation in forums and the internet does. I do not agree with many on here or other forums, but my information base is expanded.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    To be fair, I said earlier that I only voted that way to be a dick, so it's not really accurate.
    how much did Romney pay you to skew the poll... be honest!

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    how much did Romney pay you to skew the poll... be honest!
    $2.95, all in pennies.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    yes, i'm sure Romney is employing people to run around the internet to pad the numbers of obscure political debate site polls

    it's too early for me to get all conspiratorial...
    You talk as if technology doesn't make it easy to monitor sites like this for discussion of various topics where persuasion is being used.

    Their are "pros" on the internet. Paid to support/defend various positions. How many? Nobody knows. But one person could EASILY monitor/participate on MANY boards like this on a single issue. Nothing but protection and furtherance of "messaging" investment.

    If YOU were a political candidate, would YOU allow people to talk smack about you and deconstruct you messaging unopposed?

    Or would your campaign pay people to carry your cause forward in the ONLY place the left and right actually ENGAGE anymore?
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    need I remind you of Swiftboaters?... they existed before the CU decision.... so did Micheal Moore... and and whole sh*tton of private group launching negative campaign ads....
    Which is why I said it could get worse.

    all CU did was remove unconstitutional limits, from McCain-Fiengold, on free speech... the government can't tell you , pertaining to political speech, what you can say, when you can say it, or how much you can spend on getting your message out there.
    No, let's be honest what that ruling did. It gave corporations the right to do it. You and I always had the right to say whatever we wanted. McCain-Fiengold was a bad idea, but the ruling is worse.

    I guess in terms of "better or worse", it would be "best" if the government strictly controlled all political speech from every citizen or organization.. it would be "best" if they told you what to say, when you can say it, and how much you are allowed to spend saying it... but we kind run onto problem with that, as we generally prize being free in our speech... especially political speech
    And this is where I know you are just reading far too much into my comments. I never once said/implied that speech should be controled. All I said was that negative campaign has the potential to get worse because of the overturn of McCain-Fiengold.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    The ad is obviously dishonest. Anybody who seriously insists it's honest strictly because the words honestly came out of Obama's mouth will be subject to having their posts cut-and-spliced in a similar fashion in the future.

    That said, it is not over the line -- sadly. Politics in America have become painfully hysterical, consisting primarily of inflammatory sound bites, artless hyperbole, jingoism and the mass-market peddling of fear. Both major parties participate liberally (hur hur) in all of these practice, aided by their friends and henchmen in the media. It is not in the best interests of most of the politicians or candidates in the field for Americans to discuss matters of national or even local interest rationally, and so all the major players do everything in their power to incite and divide us along imaginary lines.

    These practices are indefensible, of course, and so the water-boys and -girls settle for viciously decrying it when the other team does it, and braying "YOUR GUY DID IT BEFORE" when their team does it. In short, they defend it by refusing to compel their team to change tactics.

    We come to Debate Politics ostensibly to actually debate (or at least have a rational discussion), and in so many cases all we (as a group, in general) end up doing is acting as echo chambers for our news outlet, blog, pundit or politician of choice. Our interactions are so fundamentally shaped by the tripe and diatribes manufactured by the people who are paid to keep us scattered and confused that it's always meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    I wish I could say this ad is over the line. I'd feel better about America if it was.

    On a related tangent, if I was a Republican my enthusiasm for Romney would be diminished -- he obviously forgot that his opponent isn't Obama at this stage.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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