View Poll Results: Is this add accurate, dishonest, or does it cross the line?

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  • The add is accurate and does not distort Obama's words

    39 46.99%
  • The add is dishonest

    24 28.92%
  • The add is dishonest and crosses a line beyond the standard political add distortions

    18 21.69%
  • Other, do not know

    2 2.41%
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Thread: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    This.

    I was actually very concerned about the removal of all limits on political expenditures. And still worry it will result in a republican win and a profoundly conservative supreme court.

    But I'm beginning to suspect that the American people will be left with a bad taste in their mouths as a result of the upcoming propaganda ****storm.

    Romneys pulling this in his FIRST ad reinforces this suspicion.

    Hopefully the people will reject being constantly misled by politicians and demand more honesty.
    i'm pretty sure these types of ads were in abundance even before the CU decision.... hell, they've been in abundance since our inception.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    This.

    I was actually very concerned about the removal of all limits on political expenditures. And still worry it will result in a republican win and a profoundly conservative supreme court.

    But I'm beginning to suspect that the American people will be left with a bad taste in their mouths as a result of the upcoming propaganda ****storm.

    Romneys pulling this in his FIRST ad reinforces this suspicion.

    Hopefully the people will reject being constantly misled by politicians and demand more honesty.
    The people judging what they see and acting on it? Imagine that!

    And here we are, using our own free speech to do just that. Critical thinking actually exists.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    i'm pretty sure these types of ads were in abundance even before the CU decision.... hell, they've been in abundance since our inception.
    Yes. The law overturned by CU, by the way, was only passed in 2003.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Taken out of context and completely/purposefully misleading.

    Howsomever, did anyone think about whether Obama's original quote was true? Who is the anonymous Republican strategist he quotes in the first place? Where is this reported anywhere except out of the mouth of President Obama?
    it was an informal McCain adviser,Mike Murphy, who said it on meet the press....he wasn't, however, a member of the McCain campaign....

    so i guess that mean Obama's misrepresentation of the issue was misrepresented again by Romney's ad, for what it's worth.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    The add is accurate and does not distort Obama's words
    1. Tucker Case
    2. TurtleDude
    The add is dishonest:
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    2. Esther
    3. Josie
    4. lpast
    5. LuckyDan
    6. Manc Skipper
    7. Mickey Shane
    8. Phys251
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    11. Your Star
    The add is dishonest and crosses a line: haymarket
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    Just thought I'd put up an accurate count.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 11-24-11 at 12:20 PM.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Perhaps one reason I feel so strongly about this and am so outraged as that I am a person who has written campaign literature, crafted messages and runs campaigns. Tactics like this disgust me and (I feel ) are a betrayal of every person in the political trenches who advocates for a more honest approach. And we are out there even if it seems otherwise too many times.

    My political strategy is to push yourself and your assets and qualities hard and often. If you find yourself in desperate straits where you feel you have to hit your opponent, make sure you are on solid ground and don't do it half-assed. Hit hard and hit to kill and make sure the fact agree with you 100% or it will be your corpse that comes up dead.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    It doesn't surprize me that Romney would be pulling that stunt. I think he was the salesman I bought a 1988 Ford Taurus from at a used car dealership in Lansing,Michigan.
    The damn thing had transmission problems within the first year.
    Last edited by Crosscheck; 11-24-11 at 12:28 PM.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    It's dishonest beyond the normal level of dishonesty. Obama wasn't even speaking his own personal beliefs but quoting another. What if, in a speech, Obama quoted a the dictator of a fascist state as a reason why America needs to promote democracy? Could a political rival then take that very fascist quote and claim Obama said/believes in it? That's the implication here.

    The political ads of our country are disgusting.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The people judging what they see and acting on it? Imagine that!

    And here we are, using our own free speech to do just that. Critical thinking actually exists.
    Aww, and we were doing so well.

    Critical thinking and the kind of participation we see HERE is NOT the norm.

    From what I've seen, appx 25% of the population LACKS real critical thinking skills. That's the percentage that shows up in polls and graphs concerning beliefs people hold that simply aren't based on objective reality.

    There's a quote from one of the founders of the modern Public Relations industry that goes something like this:

    "Give me an unlimited budget and 100% saturation and I could get a pig elected to the White House."

    Simply put, what others know about how our minds/brains work, THAT WE DON'T, can be and is being used against us by those who DO.

    $10 billion dollar a year industry (trade data), outside of those in the direct employ of businesses and political groups.

    The same toolbox used to sell soap being used to sell ideas/beliefs.

    Never forget that anorexia and bulimia are diseases born in body image beliefs resulting from marketing. Unintended consequences of people constantly being told they suck and no one will want/love them if they don't have/do "x".

    Not all, or even most, PR/persuasion is "black". But the tools they use are much more potent than most believe.
    Anyone wondering what I'm talking about start here:
    The Psychology of Persuasion

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    It's not only dishonest, but when Mitt Romney is caught, he justifies it by saying Obama does the same thing. The ad is straight out of the Karl Rove / Lee Atwater play book.
    Here is a video (not an ad) in response:



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