View Poll Results: Is this add accurate, dishonest, or does it cross the line?

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  • The add is accurate and does not distort Obama's words

    39 46.99%
  • The add is dishonest

    24 28.92%
  • The add is dishonest and crosses a line beyond the standard political add distortions

    18 21.69%
  • Other, do not know

    2 2.41%
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Thread: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Agreed. That is because Newt, Mitt, or Obama has any positive record on which to stand.
    The thing that's surprised me the most is the lack of negativity between Republicans. You'd think Perry would be getting desperate enough to start going negative on Romney.


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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    It's so obviously a blatant lie.

    It should make Republican voters wonder what other blatant lies their party is foisting on them.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    from Vance

    Its politics 101...who is looking for honesty when it comes to politicians?
    I would sincerely hope we ALL are.

    it is NOT Politics 101. I advise candidates and put on workshops for candidates. I would never ever advocate such a blatantly dishonest approach for two reasons:
    1) quoting somebody quoting somebody else and not saying so is simply an act of intellectual fraud and gross dishonesty which reflects badly on the character of the candidate
    2) once it has been exposed that you have done this deed, it will come back to bite you in the ass and that will out balance any temporary benefit you got from the ad in the first place.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    I would sincerely hope we ALL are.

    it is NOT Politics 101. I advise candidates and put on workshops for candidates. I would never ever advocate such a blatantly dishonest approach for two reasons:
    1) quoting somebody quoting somebody else and not saying so is simply an act of intellectual fraud and gross dishonesty which reflects badly on the character of the candidate
    2) once it has been exposed that you have done this deed, it will come back to bite you in the ass and that will out balance any temporary benefit you got from the ad in the first place.
    Really? its NOT politics 101? Why then after every debate, democrat or republican, does FACT CHECK have to offer corrections? Politicians pander to...well...you. The pander to the hyperpartisans to inspire their base. They say anything and know you wont care as long as they are saying what you want to hear. Be HONEST for once for Gods sake...do you EVER lead off a thread or post with an attack on democrats (unless those democrats arent being partisan ENOUGH for you)? Do you EVER display honest or unbiased opinions on ANY subject that is politically related? If its liberal...if its democrat...if it is pro union...you dont give a ****...period. If it is conservative, GOP or unflattering in ANY way towards your beloved union you trip over yourself in your rush to type some mindless attack in opposition. You dont examine both sides...you dont CARE about both sides. And you are not alone. It IS politics 101, precisely because they know who they are pandering to. You.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    from Vance directed to myself when I said the Romney ad is NOT Politics 101

    Really? its NOT politics 101?
    No it is not. Not any politics I have even been involved with and that goes back to the 70's.



    Why then after every debate, democrat or republican, does FACT CHECK have to offer corrections?
    I think there is a significant difference between a politician offering their own interpretation on events and what Romney did which was blatantly dishonest and nearly criminal - or at least it should be.

    Politicians pander to...well...you. The pander to the hyperpartisans to inspire their base. They say anything and know you wont care as long as they are saying what you want to hear.
    Actually they pander to anyone they feel they can obtain a vote from. You may not know this, but the base is often simply taken for granted and their appeals are carefully crafted to go beyond it since you do not normally court people who are already firmly in your column and have nowhere else to go.


    Be HONEST for once for Gods sake...do you EVER lead off a thread or post with an attack on democrats (unless those democrats arent being partisan ENOUGH for you)? Do you EVER display honest or unbiased opinions on ANY subject that is politically related? If its liberal...if its democrat...if it is pro union...you dont give a ****...period. If it is conservative, GOP or unflattering in ANY way towards your beloved union you trip over yourself in your rush to type some mindless attack in opposition. You dont examine both sides...you dont CARE about both sides. And you are not alone. It IS politics 101, precisely because they know who they are pandering to. You.
    Fair question and I will give you a fair answer. YES. I have started threads and have participated in threads which criticized Democrats - President Obama being a main one. I went on record a while back as saying that Obama should not run for re-election. I was critical of the way he handled both last years end of the year tax measures as well as this summers debt ceiling battles. I have said repeatedly that I do not have faith in certain aspects of his leadership and disagree strongly with his style.

    I find it interesting that you are so critical of me and my union work. You may find it interesting that during my 33 years in the union, I was always battling with union leadership and they frequently looked at me as a pain in their posterior who was not quite the team player they wanted me to be. I looked at our union as rather conservative and staid in their approach to many things including educational reform and I am proud to say that my views eventually won out and changes were made.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It's so obviously a blatant lie.

    It should make Republican voters wonder what other blatant lies their party is foisting on them.
    And democrats as well. We disagree on a number of things, but not this one.

    PR is the science of the half-truth. Omission is a key device. Not all PR is "black", but a BUNCH is.

    Its EXACTLY why the "other side" (either) believes so much nonsense.

    Because some clever pro figured out how to convince them.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    It was a political ad, it is what they are full of. Mistruths and lies. Just wait until the commercials that aren't from the candidates and the parties start coming out.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    It was a political ad, it is what they are full of. Mistruths and lies. Just wait until the commercials that aren't from the candidates and the parties start coming out.
    This.

    I was actually very concerned about the removal of all limits on political expenditures. And still worry it will result in a republican win and a profoundly conservative supreme court.

    But I'm beginning to suspect that the American people will be left with a bad taste in their mouths as a result of the upcoming propaganda ****storm.

    Romneys pulling this in his FIRST ad reinforces this suspicion.

    Hopefully the people will reject being constantly misled by politicians and demand more honesty.
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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    technically speaking, the ad is not a lie... Obama did actually say those words.

    in reality, it's a misrepresentation of Obama's words.

    it's par for the course in political ads.... words and quotes are often misrepresented.
    anytime a politician uses the words of another politician in an ad, i lean towards believing it's a misrepresentation... sometimes i'm wrong and it's accurate, but most of the time, i'm right.

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    Re: Is This Ad Dishonest or Does It Cross The Line.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post


    In the ad, Obama is quoted as saying "If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose", but his full quote is this: "Sen. McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, ‘If we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose.’" However, it does say 23 seconds earlier that the comments where from 2008. So, is this ad accurately portraying what Obama said, it is dishonest, and if it is dishonest, does this cross a line beyond the normal dishonest political ad(yes, I know that is kinda vague, it is up to you to judge how to interpret it).
    Taken out of context and completely/purposefully misleading.

    Howsomever, did anyone think about whether Obama's original quote was true? Who is the anonymous Republican strategist he quotes in the first place? Where is this reported anywhere except out of the mouth of President Obama?
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