They did it on purpose

misterman said:

So when you inherit a recession, you aren't to blame for it? Hmmmm.

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That'w what the Libbos keep telling us.

apdst said:

That'w what the Libbos keep telling us.

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no one here blaims Bush for the Recession he inherited. that's just a silly strawman argument.

cpwill said:

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[...] it looks like significantly higher nominal rates have not brought in higher revenues. in fact, it looks like the higher revenues have come in the lower rate years! gosh, who'da thunk?

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No, in fact it looks like revenue as a percentage of GOP is mostly flat regardless of the top marginal tax rate,
which means that the GOP claim that an increase in the top marginal tax rate would reduce revenue is false.

Nice chart, thanks for posting

Karl said:

No, in fact it looks like revenue as a percentage of GOP is mostly flat regardless of the top marginal tax rate,
which means that the GOP claim that an increase in the top marginal tax rate would reduce revenue is false.

Nice chart, thanks for posting

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Be aware that Hauser's law has been disproven and the last 2 years fall well outside the chart(2009-15 %). Also note that even the years that fall within Hauser's law there is huge variation, and note what happens before and after tax changes. It's kinda illuminating. Also note that cpwill has had this pointed out to him repeatedly.

Karl said:

No, in fact it looks like revenue as a percentage of GOP is mostly flat regardless of the top marginal tax rate,
which means that the GOP claim that an increase in the top marginal tax rate would reduce revenue is false.

Nice chart, thanks for posting

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if what you say is accurate, then it's also true that raising the top marginal tax rate won't increase revenue.....

just saying.

apdst said:

So, if the government gets out of the way and let's people go to work, we'll see more tax revenue?

Maybe we should try that approach, before we just jack everyone's taxes up. yes?




Two reasons: 1) Bush had a larger baseline to start from, than Clinton did and 2) Bush inherited a recession from Clinton.

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The government gets out of the way....... what does that even mean? gets out of the way of what exactly?

A minor recession being but one temporary factor, all things considered Bush inherited probably the best financial situation any incoming president had come into in decades. Can you say "peace dividend"?

They thought the government was tolling in so much extra money because of he Clinton budgets that they could afford to give huge tax cuts in two of the next three years... and in doing so laid the foundation of their own demise and downfall... along with foreign wars unfunded and untaxed.

Thrilla said:

if what you say is accurate, then it's also true that raising the top marginal tax rate won't increase revenue.....

just saying.

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Based upon the chart that is a valid observation. I was wondering if anyone would catch it

haymarket said:

The government gets out of the way....... what does that even mean? gets out of the way of what exactly?

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In RightWingSpeak, that means eliminate most regulations and most cabinet departments that don't have anything to do with the military or law enforcement (EPA, HHS, HUD, Education, Energy, SSA, Interior, Agriculture, DOL (especially DOL), DOT, etc), leaving not much more than DOD, FBI, CIA, NSA, and ICE -- a government of soldiers, cops and spies.

Stalin must be drooling

haymarket said:

The government gets out of the way....... what does that even mean? gets out of the way of what exactly?

A minor recession being but one temporary factor, all things considered Bush inherited probably the best financial situation any incoming president had come into in decades. Can you say "peace dividend"?

They thought the government was tolling in so much extra money because of he Clinton budgets that they could afford to give huge tax cuts in two of the next three years... and in doing so laid the foundation of their own demise and downfall... along with foreign wars unfunded and untaxed.

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Get out of the way of the private sector's ability to create jobs.

Karl said:

In RightWingSpeak, that means eliminate most regulations and most cabinet departments that don't have anything to do with the military or law enforcement (EPA, HHS, HUD, Education, Energy, SSA, Interior, Agriculture, DOL (especially DOL), DOT, etc), leaving not much more than DOD, FBI, CIA, NSA, and ICE -- a government of soldiers, cops and spies.

Stalin must be drooling

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IS that what it means? Care to point out where I said any of that, or are you just going to keep the propaganda machine rolling?

apdst said:

Get out of the way of the private sector's ability to create jobs.

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What you need to do is to quit creating excuses for corporations refusal to hire people and stop being willing to act as a sycophant and toadie for them when they even fail to achieve what you claimed that they would achieve.

For the longest time all we ever heard is that we need to reduce corporate taxes. Why? Because we were taxing compaines to death and they had no money to hire more workers. If only the taxes could be lowered then that extra money could be used to expand and hire.

A truckload of reeking manure does not begin to do justice to that sorry conservative meme.

Many businesses are rolling in billions today like a pig in slop but are they hiring as promised? No way jose - no way. And do you call them on the carpet for it since the sirens of the right played nonstop to allow them just to keep more money so they would then hire? No way you will. Now you accept some other poor mouthed excuse planted in you by ALEC or CATO or some other ring wing extremist organization and you just nod your head and do the Toadie Tango or the Sycophant Shuffle and accept it while you learn the new and latest excuse.

Of late you have repeated the schtick that business cannot tell the future so they will not hire today. As if that is something different from previous history.

The private sector cares about one thing and only one thing - maximizing their own profits. Hiring people does not figure into that goal if it is not necessary no matter how much money they keep, or how little they are regulated or anything else.

And I am 100% sure that if regulations were decreased this afternoon and the hiring flood did not come - the CATO's and ALEC's of this world would come up with other excuses and the warriors of the right would learn a new Toadie Tango or a new version of the Sycophant Shuffle to the new tune.

Its worse than pathetic.

apdst said:

Get out of the way of the private sector's ability to create jobs.

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didn't you post an article about a guy who refuses to hire more people, simply due to Obama being in office?

that's a clear example of someone not hiring simply by choice, not due to undue regulations.

Thunder said:

didn't you post an article about a guy who refuses to hire more people, simply due to Obama being in office?

that's a clear example of someone not hiring simply by choice, not due to undue regulations.

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No. I didn't. :lamo

haymarket said:

What you need to do is to quit creating excuses for corporations refusal to hire people and stop being willing to act as a sycophant and toadie for them when they even fail to achieve what you claimed that they would achieve.

For the longest time all we ever heard is that we need to reduce corporate taxes. Why? Because we were taxing compaines to death and they had no money to hire more workers. If only the taxes could be lowered then that extra money could be used to expand and hire.

A truckload of reeking manure does not begin to do justice to that sorry conservative meme.

Many businesses are rolling in billions today like a pig in slop but are they hiring as promised? No way jose - no way. And do you call them on the carpet for it since the sirens of the right played nonstop to allow them just to keep more money so they would then hire? No way you will. Now you accept some other poor mouthed excuse planted in you by ALEC or CATO or some other ring wing extremist organization and you just nod your head and do the Toadie Tango or the Sycophant Shuffle and accept it while you learn the new and latest excuse.

Of late you have repeated the schtick that business cannot tell the future so they will not hire today. As if that is something different from previous history.

The private sector cares about one thing and only one thing - maximizing their own profits. Hiring people does not figure into that goal if it is not necessary no matter how much money they keep, or how little they are regulated or anything else.

And I am 100% sure that if regulations were decreased this afternoon and the hiring flood did not come - the CATO's and ALEC's of this world would come up with other excuses and the warriors of the right would learn a new Toadie Tango or a new version of the Sycophant Shuffle to the new tune.

Its worse than pathetic.

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Conspiracy alert!!!! :lamo

apdst said:

No. I didn't. :lamo

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actually, you did.

Thunder said:

actually, you did.

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Ummmmm...nope! Someone else posted a link about that jackoff, that put those signs on his trucks. Not I, sir.

apdst said:

Ummmmm...nope! Someone else posted a link about that jackoff, that put those signs on his trucks. Not I, sir.

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you are indeed correct. My bad.

apdst said:

Conspiracy alert!!!! :lamo

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And as a willing participant, you would be among the first to know.

And it is telling that you ignored everything in the post and you are powerless and impotent to refute anything in it.

Thunder said:

you are indeed correct. My bad.

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Damn right it is! Git your **** together next time before lie'n on me.

haymarket said:

And as a willing participant, you would be among the first to know.

And it is telling that you ignored everything in the post and you are powerless and impotent to refute anything in it.

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Because everything in the post is idiotic. You're trying to tell us that the unemployment rate is due to a conspiracy among corporations, to sabotage Obama. Only someone without a brain wouldn't ignore it.

apdst said:

Damn right it is! Git your **** together next time before lie'n on me.

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I admitted my error. Relax.

Thunder said:

I admitted my error. Relax.

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Yeah, but did you learn anything from it? That's the real question.

apdst said:

Because everything in the post is idiotic. You're trying to tell us that the unemployment rate is due to a conspiracy among corporations, to sabotage Obama. Only someone without a brain wouldn't ignore it.

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Where or where did I say that? Do you enjoy just making this up as you go along? Here is what I said is the motivation behind corporations from the post that you conveniently ignored

The private sector cares about one thing and only one thing - maximizing their own profits. Hiring people does not figure into that goal if it is not necessary no matter how much money they keep, or how little they are regulated or anything else.

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Where in that was the charge of a conspiracy to sabotage the President?

Why do you lie about what I write and then try to invent other stuff out of thin air?

A loaded poll from a "very conservative" = no vote.
Instead of using congressmen on this panel, a group of eleven men should have been selected for this task. Our congress is too poisoned with fools.
Surely in our nation ,there are eleven intelligent people...I hope.

Thunder said:

didn't you post an article about a guy who refuses to hire more people, simply due to Obama being in office?

that's a clear example of someone not hiring simply by choice, not due to undue regulations.

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I'm willing to say that this is the biggest lie ever !
Even conservatives are not that stupid or fearful, are they ???