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They did it on purpose

Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

  • No, they actually thought a trillion dollar tax hike in a recession was reasonable

    Votes: 5 12.5%

  • No, it was a bi-partisan failure

    Votes: 25 62.5%

  • Yes, the plan from the beginning was to fail

    Votes: 10 25.0%
  • Total voters
    40
Thrilla said:
why did the Republicans offer a plan that was mixed with cuts and more revenue if, in your words, they refuse to acknowledge this?

methinks your talking points are inaccurate.
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please link to an article proving this.
 
Redress said:
Then you should be able to actually quote him saying that instead of making wild ass accusations.
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you didn't read all those posts about Obumble saying CG taxes ought to increase out of "fairness"?
 
Thunder said:
$1.2 trillion in savings over ten years, at a 3:1 ratio, means $480 billion in more revenue and $720 billion in spending cuts.

why couldn't the Republicans agree to even this?
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why couldn't the dems agree to just spending cuts?
 
TurtleDude said:
what politician is trying to buy votes by attacking the middle class?
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Buying votes is what we call democracy now?

Yes, the middle class will hold politicians accountable for proposing a tax raise on them. You call it "buying votes," but it's just democracy in action.
 
TurtleDude said:
you didn't read all those posts about Obumble saying CG taxes ought to increase out of "fairness"?
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That would be evading actually supplying quotes with links for context.
 
Thunder said:
sure, cut only spending on defense, subsidies to the oil & natural gas industry, farm subsidies, and other corporate welfare. sounds like a good plan.
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yeah that is the GOP compromise

the dems would have to cut all that social spending that buys votes of people like you, cut the EPA, cut handouts to unions, those big dem companies that got cushy government contracts, payouts to teachers, SEIU, AFSCME etc
 
Thrilla said:
are you saying you have been throwing out your arguments without properly researching the issue?... really?

of course i have a source... I do my homework before speaking.
here is one of many many articles out there.
Debt Committee Said to Weigh Republican Plan on Tax Breaks - Bloomberg

Democrats almost agreed to the Republican plan.. but they insisted on raising taxes instead of raising revenue... and the deal fell apart.
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so they want to lower-taxes on the wealthy, while raising taxes on the middle-class?

interesting plan. my question now is: who are the GOP working for?
 
rocket88 said:
Buying votes is what we call democracy now?

Yes, the middle class will hold politicians accountable for proposing a tax raise on them. You call it "buying votes," but it's just democracy in action.
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buying votes is still accurate. especially when it involves giving voters goodies paid for by others
 
Everything is the DEMS fault! Nothing is the Repubs fault they are the poster child!
 
Thunder said:
so they want to lower-taxes on the wealthy, while raising taxes on the middle-class?

interesting plan. my question now is: who are the GOP working for?
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read the article again...keep reading it until you get it right...
 
Thrilla said:
Republicans did put revenue increases on the table ( 300 billion worth)..... the Democrats said " nope... not enough"
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Tied to an extension of the Bush tax cuts. So, 4 trillion tax cut with 300 billion revenue. Anyone who thinks that was a serious offer...
 
friday said:
They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid,
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It wouldn't be any more stupid than a reduction in spending. Both have the same effect. No, I take that back, spending has a greater effect. So I guess it would be more stupid to cut spending in a recession than it would be to hike taxes.
 
Oh how the tables have turned. It's about time that the Republicans got a taste of their own medicine.


However I do consider it a possibility that BOTH Republican and Democratic leaders were planning on this the whole time. Given how divided government is right now, there's no way they could have easily passed this large of a budget cut in all areas equally. This is a much better deal than I had been expecting from the panel, and we didn't even need to raise taxes!


So why are people bitching? I don't get it...
 
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Thrilla said:
are you saying you have been throwing out your arguments without properly researching the issue?... really?

of course i have a source... I do my homework before speaking.
here is one of many many articles out there.
Debt Committee Said to Weigh Republican Plan on Tax Breaks - Bloomberg

Democrats almost agreed to the Republican plan.. but they insisted on raising taxes instead of raising revenue... and the deal fell apart.
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What kind of sense does it make to seek a lower rate on the top marginal tax rate and then reduce individual deduction - which in effect would make the tax system more regressive, with the gains going to the highest earners and the burden falling on the middle class?
 
friday said:
It's not the same thing. Let me ask you a business question, let's say you own a used car dealership. If you raise the price on your 80s era Ford Escorts to $45,000, are you increasing revenues?
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Obviously not. But when one thinks the way most Republicans do, they see a rise from 35% to 39.6% (the rate on the top tier of income when the economy saw it greatest period of growth EVER) as the same as an increase from $1,500 (the approximate value of a 1980s Ford) to $45,000.

That's the Republican problem: a 13% increase is the same as a 2900% increase. (By the way, I'm using your numbers here).
 
nonpareil said:
What kind of sense does it make to seek a lower rate on the top marginal tax rate and then reduce individual deduction - which in effect would make the tax system more regressive, with the gains going to the highest earners and the burden falling on the middle class?
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This is the typical republican sleight of hand tax proposal. People still think the Paul Ryan plan was not a tax cut for the wealthy and an increase on every one else.
 
friday said:
Here is my theory:
Democrats never wanted the super-committee to succeed. They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid, it is also a non-starter. But what have they lost? Now military spending has to be cut and they don't have to take responsibility for it.

What about Medicare cuts? Those cuts are to Medicare providers. Not only do Democrats not care about Medicare provider doctors, but they view this as a way to continue to destroy our healthcare system so that they can implement single payer.

But the best part for Dems on the super-committee failure is that Obama can run against a do-nothing congress in 2012. His biggest hope for re-election is that congress will have a lower approval rating and he can try to identify congress as Republicans, even though Reid still controls the senate where bills go to die.

As if to prove my point, Obama has sworn to veto any attempt by Congress to stop these draconian cuts to military and provider payments. The committee failure is all part of Obama/Biden 2012.

What do you think?
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Interesting concept but I actually think that it is the Republicans that dont want the supercommittee to succeed as that would pave the way by creating resentment amongst the American people towards the current Obama administration. It is only through this that the Republicans can make sure that we don't vote for the Democrats again so that they can kick Obama out of White House and put themselves in there in 2012.
 
I think if congress created a super DUPER commitee, we would have resolved this by now. You can't expect just a super commitee to get it done.
 
rocket88 said:
Republicans never wanted it to succeed either. In their zeal to protect rich people from tax cuts, they will end up raising everyone's taxes when the tax cuts expire. No responsibility.

I take it you don't want to see military cuts. That's fair, but how do you propose to go after government spending without going after one of the largest beneficiaries of that spending? We'll never be able to fund the spending priorities of either party without raising taxes. If we're going to play favorites on spending, that is.
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Actually, I think our military could stand to use a lot of cutting. We don't need to be in Europe, Japan, Australia, half of Africa, etc. But you keep cutting Medicare payments to doctors and you won't have any doctors left who will treat Medicare patients. I already see that with a lot of doctors. You know who treats Medicare patients? Rookie doctors who need the cash and experience.
 
Klaus.C said:
Interesting concept but I actually think that it is the Republicans that dont want the supercommittee to succeed as that would pave the way by creating resentment amongst the American people towards the current Obama administration. It is only through this that the Republicans can make sure that we don't vote for the Democrats again so that they can kick Obama out of White House and put themselves in there in 2012.
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No way. Republicans stand to lose big time, especially because the media helps Democrats with public perception as evidenced by a lot of the responses here from people who think a trillion dollar tax hike in a recession is reasonable.
 
Not only that, but Republicans actually did work on the committee, including bringing $640 billion in spending cuts to the table that Democrats rejected outright, even though they agreed on a lot of the cuts. I agree with Newt on the super-committee. It's the stupidest idea Congress could have come up with.
 
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