View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Here is my theory:
    Democrats never wanted the super-committee to succeed. They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid, it is also a non-starter. But what have they lost? Now military spending has to be cut and they don't have to take responsibility for it.

    What about Medicare cuts? Those cuts are to Medicare providers. Not only do Democrats not care about Medicare provider doctors, but they view this as a way to continue to destroy our healthcare system so that they can implement single payer.

    But the best part for Dems on the super-committee failure is that Obama can run against a do-nothing congress in 2012. His biggest hope for re-election is that congress will have a lower approval rating and he can try to identify congress as Republicans, even though Reid still controls the senate where bills go to die.

    As if to prove my point, Obama has sworn to veto any attempt by Congress to stop these draconian cuts to military and provider payments. The committee failure is all part of Obama/Biden 2012.

    What do you think?
    Interesting concept but I actually think that it is the Republicans that dont want the supercommittee to succeed as that would pave the way by creating resentment amongst the American people towards the current Obama administration. It is only through this that the Republicans can make sure that we don't vote for the Democrats again so that they can kick Obama out of White House and put themselves in there in 2012.

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    I think if congress created a super DUPER commitee, we would have resolved this by now. You can't expect just a super commitee to get it done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Republicans never wanted it to succeed either. In their zeal to protect rich people from tax cuts, they will end up raising everyone's taxes when the tax cuts expire. No responsibility.

    I take it you don't want to see military cuts. That's fair, but how do you propose to go after government spending without going after one of the largest beneficiaries of that spending? We'll never be able to fund the spending priorities of either party without raising taxes. If we're going to play favorites on spending, that is.
    Actually, I think our military could stand to use a lot of cutting. We don't need to be in Europe, Japan, Australia, half of Africa, etc. But you keep cutting Medicare payments to doctors and you won't have any doctors left who will treat Medicare patients. I already see that with a lot of doctors. You know who treats Medicare patients? Rookie doctors who need the cash and experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaus.C View Post
    Interesting concept but I actually think that it is the Republicans that dont want the supercommittee to succeed as that would pave the way by creating resentment amongst the American people towards the current Obama administration. It is only through this that the Republicans can make sure that we don't vote for the Democrats again so that they can kick Obama out of White House and put themselves in there in 2012.
    No way. Republicans stand to lose big time, especially because the media helps Democrats with public perception as evidenced by a lot of the responses here from people who think a trillion dollar tax hike in a recession is reasonable.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Not only that, but Republicans actually did work on the committee, including bringing $640 billion in spending cuts to the table that Democrats rejected outright, even though they agreed on a lot of the cuts. I agree with Newt on the super-committee. It's the stupidest idea Congress could have come up with.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Republicans did put revenue increases on the table ( 300 billion worth)..... the Democrats said " nope... not enough"

    anyone who says the Republicans are 100% against increasing revenues is lying to you.
    they can say they didn't raise revenues "enough" and have a valid position though.

    republicans offered a plan that would cut 1.2 trillion over 10 years... 700 billion coming from cuts, the rest from " new revenues"... Democrats rejected the plan.

    this was most assuredly a bipartisan "failure".

    for me personally, this "failure" is fine.... i'm ok with the trigger cuts that are supposed to come ( but they will find a way to get around the trigger cuts, mark my word)
    Found your link to source after this post. Thanks for that. But their plan would have been a blow to every single American.

    Republicans proposed cutting the U.S. deficit with a tax overhaul that would raise about $300 billion and by raising the Medicare eligibility age to 67, said aides familiar with a congressional supercommittee’s talks.

    Republicans, who until now opposed new tax revenue in any deficit plan, suggested reducing individual tax deductions, exclusions and other breaks and changing the way income tax brackets are indexed to inflation, a Democratic aide said. In exchange, Republicans called for reducing the top marginal tax rate to as low as 28 percent, the aide said. Those changes would net $300 billion in higher revenue, the aide said.

    The plan would reduce annual cost-of-living adjustments for Social Security beneficiaries, said the aide, who wasn’t authorized to speak publicly.

    The proposal also would save money by gradually raising the eligibility age for the Medicare health-care system to 67 from 65, according to another congressional aide. The Republicans’ overall proposal would cut about $1.2 trillion from the deficit over 10 years, with about $700 billion of that coming from spending cuts, that aide said.
    That plan would have driven me nutz. Glad it didn't happen. If it's even true because it's from an anonymous source. (No offense.)
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Here is my theory:
    Democrats never wanted the super-committee to succeed. They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid, it is also a non-starter. But what have they lost? Now military spending has to be cut and they don't have to take responsibility for it.

    What about Medicare cuts? Those cuts are to Medicare providers. Not only do Democrats not care about Medicare provider doctors, but they view this as a way to continue to destroy our healthcare system so that they can implement single payer.

    But the best part for Dems on the super-committee failure is that Obama can run against a do-nothing congress in 2012. His biggest hope for re-election is that congress will have a lower approval rating and he can try to identify congress as Republicans, even though Reid still controls the senate where bills go to die.

    As if to prove my point, Obama has sworn to veto any attempt by Congress to stop these draconian cuts to military and provider payments. The committee failure is all part of Obama/Biden 2012.

    What do you think?
    I think it is thinking like yours that produced this problem in the first place. There are two sides to a budget and BOTH must be dealt with. I never thought I would live long enough to see something held as a basic fact of reality is not a daring and nearly revolutionary thought.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Standard & Poor's felt a 3 to 1 plan of spending cuts/revenue increases of $4 trillion over 10 years, was the best way to do it.

    what say you?
    I think I agree with Obama that its probably not rise to raise taxes during this kind of economic struggles. That said, if you're going to force tax increases to get spending cuts I'd say I'd be perhaps willing to meet you half way with a few conditions.

    I'd accept the $3 trillion in cuts to $1 trillion in revenues raised, however, a few conditions.

    1) The Cuts and Revenue raises must coincide over years. IE, if you're looking at $100 billion in new revenue every year over that 10 year span then you better be looking at $300 billion in cuts each of those years. If its $100 billion in new revenue every year, but $2 Trillion of that $3T number doesn't happen until year 8 through 10...no dice. You don't get to front load or evenly distribute the revenue raises while back ending the spending cuts in hopes of them never coming or being changed in the future.

    2) Fix tax loopholes. However, any raises to the tax rates requires EVERY tax bracket to be raised at least a point

    3) Spending "saved" by the ending of inevitable concluding full scale conflicts such as the current action in Afghanistan can not be included.

    That would at least get rid of the backloading Problem inherent in the original discussion, and would remove the political games of attempting to use increasing revenue to seemingly attempt to "stick it to the rich" in the hopes of populist support during election time.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    tax hikes on the wealthy doesn't buy Middle-class votes.
    Shocker, Thunder presenting opinion as fact.

    but refusing to allow even a small tax-hike on the wealthy....DOES insure more campaign contributions.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    $1.2 trillion in savings over ten years, at a 3:1 ratio, means $480 billion in more revenue and $720 billion in spending cuts.

    why couldn't the Republicans agree to even this?
    Umm....

    At 1.2 Trillion in savings, a 3:1 ratio would be mean $300 billion in revenue increases and 900% billion in spending cuts.

    $300 (3) billion : $100 (1) billion x 3 = $900 (9) Billion : $300 (3) Billion

    9:3 = 3:1

    If what Thrilla is saying, which you referenced, is true then the Republicans DID offer your goldne 3:1 ratio in spending cuts to revenue raisers.

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