View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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  • No, they actually thought a trillion dollar tax hike in a recession was reasonable

    9 12.68%
  • No, it was a bi-partisan failure

    28 39.44%
  • Yes, the plan from the beginning was to fail

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Thread: They did it on purpose

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Buying votes is what we call democracy now?

    Yes, the middle class will hold politicians accountable for proposing a tax raise on them. You call it "buying votes," but it's just democracy in action.
    buying votes is still accurate. especially when it involves giving voters goodies paid for by others



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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Everything is the DEMS fault! Nothing is the Repubs fault they are the poster child!


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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    so they want to lower-taxes on the wealthy, while raising taxes on the middle-class?

    interesting plan. my question now is: who are the GOP working for?
    read the article again...keep reading it until you get it right...

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Republicans did put revenue increases on the table ( 300 billion worth)..... the Democrats said " nope... not enough"
    Tied to an extension of the Bush tax cuts. So, 4 trillion tax cut with 300 billion revenue. Anyone who thinks that was a serious offer...

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid,
    It wouldn't be any more stupid than a reduction in spending. Both have the same effect. No, I take that back, spending has a greater effect. So I guess it would be more stupid to cut spending in a recession than it would be to hike taxes.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Oh how the tables have turned. It's about time that the Republicans got a taste of their own medicine.


    However I do consider it a possibility that BOTH Republican and Democratic leaders were planning on this the whole time. Given how divided government is right now, there's no way they could have easily passed this large of a budget cut in all areas equally. This is a much better deal than I had been expecting from the panel, and we didn't even need to raise taxes!


    So why are people bitching? I don't get it...
    Last edited by Jucon; 11-22-11 at 12:57 AM.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    are you saying you have been throwing out your arguments without properly researching the issue?... really?

    of course i have a source... I do my homework before speaking.
    here is one of many many articles out there.
    Debt Committee Said to Weigh Republican Plan on Tax Breaks - Bloomberg

    Democrats almost agreed to the Republican plan.. but they insisted on raising taxes instead of raising revenue... and the deal fell apart.
    What kind of sense does it make to seek a lower rate on the top marginal tax rate and then reduce individual deduction - which in effect would make the tax system more regressive, with the gains going to the highest earners and the burden falling on the middle class?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    It's not the same thing. Let me ask you a business question, let's say you own a used car dealership. If you raise the price on your 80s era Ford Escorts to $45,000, are you increasing revenues?
    Obviously not. But when one thinks the way most Republicans do, they see a rise from 35% to 39.6% (the rate on the top tier of income when the economy saw it greatest period of growth EVER) as the same as an increase from $1,500 (the approximate value of a 1980s Ford) to $45,000.

    That's the Republican problem: a 13% increase is the same as a 2900% increase. (By the way, I'm using your numbers here).

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    What kind of sense does it make to seek a lower rate on the top marginal tax rate and then reduce individual deduction - which in effect would make the tax system more regressive, with the gains going to the highest earners and the burden falling on the middle class?
    This is the typical republican sleight of hand tax proposal. People still think the Paul Ryan plan was not a tax cut for the wealthy and an increase on every one else.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    buying votes is still accurate.
    It's called democracy where I'm from...


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