View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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  • No, it was a bi-partisan failure

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  • Yes, the plan from the beginning was to fail

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    It is all bull****. It was from the beginning, is now and ever shall be. Vote the bastards out!










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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    wow, you find one quote of Obumble and ignore all the OTHER times he has whined that it is the RICH who aren't paying their fair share
    Which is one more than you found. Complaining when people do more work than you to make their point is kinda silly.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There is no "capital gains tax loophole." Everyone who earns long-term capital gains pays the same capital gains tax rate. Short-term gains are taxed at ordinary income rates. Those who make their capital gains (long or short) inside a Roth IRA pay no tax at all. Those who make capital gains within their Keogh's, IRAs and SEPs pay no capital gains tax either. Maybe that's what you're talking about.
    Kinda sorta but not really true. What executives can do is get their compensation in stop options and such to avoid paying income tax on it and instead paying capital gains tax on it. A lower capital gains tax far and away benefits those who are not in the lower and middle class.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you obviously didn't listen very well
    Then you should be able to actually quote him saying that instead of making wild ass accusations.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why couldn't Republicans put a measly 1% tax increase on the table? A .5% tax increase? This was a misguided line drawn in the sand that put the negotiations into a win/lose scenerio. And ya' know that never works. Tax hikes are inevitable, Turtle. You and I both know that. This was an opportunity to at least try to build some teeny-tiny consensus...some acknowledgement that things have got to change.

    And Republicans failed.
    Republicans did put revenue increases on the table ( 300 billion worth)..... the Democrats said " nope... not enough"

    anyone who says the Republicans are 100% against increasing revenues is lying to you.
    they can say they didn't raise revenues "enough" and have a valid position though.

    republicans offered a plan that would cut 1.2 trillion over 10 years... 700 billion coming from cuts, the rest from " new revenues"... Democrats rejected the plan.

    this was most assuredly a bipartisan "failure".

    for me personally, this "failure" is fine.... i'm ok with the trigger cuts that are supposed to come ( but they will find a way to get around the trigger cuts, mark my word)

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    $1.2 trillion in savings over ten years, at a 3:1 ratio, means $480 billion in more revenue and $720 billion in spending cuts.

    why couldn't the Republicans agree to even this?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Kinda sorta but not really true. What executives can do is get their compensation in stop options and such to avoid paying income tax on it and instead paying capital gains tax on it. A lower capital gains tax far and away benefits those who are not in the lower and middle class.
    I agree that some of the classifications of income derived by some hedge fund managers appears to be a loophole but treating LTCG income different than earned income is not a loophole. The current tax system benefits the lower classes tremendously since they get the same government services and pay far far less for them than the rich do



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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    Republicans did put revenue increases on the table ( 300 billion worth)..... the Democrats said " nope... not enough"

    anyone who says the Republicans are 100% against increasing revenues is lying to you.
    they can say they didn't raise revenues "enough" and have a valid position though.

    republicans offered a plan that would cut 1.2 trillion over 10 years... 700 billion coming from cuts, the rest from " new revenues"... Democrats rejected the plan....
    got an article that proves this?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    First, the Republicans and the Democrats are to blame for the lack of success. The Republicans were unwilling to consider any substantive raising of taxes and any cuts to military spending - something they believe their base wants them to do. The Democrats were unwilling to agree to any plan that did not raise taxes and that made deep cuts to cut Medicaid and Medicare - also something they believe their base wants.

    Polls suggest the Democrats method of raising taxes while making cuts in both defense and domestic programs was more popular with citizens than the Republican method of keeping taxes low and cutting domestic programs deeply while leaving the military spending alone. The stimulus package had roughly 50-50 approval with citizens.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    The fact is that the majority of Democrats & Independents agree that the best solution to our debt-crisis is a mixture of spending cuts & more revenue. Why does the GOP refuse to acknowledge this?
    why did the Republicans offer a plan that was mixed with cuts and more revenue if, in your words, they refuse to acknowledge this?

    methinks your talking points are inaccurate.

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