View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yeah.... sure ... whatever. And if I cut my income by 50% that does not impact my budget either.

    Where in the world did some on the far right learn basic addition and subtraction from?
    If you income is cut by 50%, your sending will have to be cut as well.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you are confusing terms deliberately.

    it does impact your budget,

    it does not cost you
    You are simply playing games with words. Explain that to any wife and kids that the husband can willingly give up income and its not going to cost the family. That discussion I gotta hear.

    If I am making 2 grand per week working 2 jobs and I give up one of them up and now only make 1400 a week, it certainly is costing my family that 600 a week I am giving up. I do not know a married woman in America, especially with kids, who would not look at it that way.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are simply playing games with words. Explain that to any wife and kids that the husband can willingly give up income and its not going to cost the family. That discussion I gotta hear.

    If I am making 2 grand per week working 2 jobs and I give up one of them up and now only make 1400 a week, it certainly is costing my family that 600 a week I am giving up. I do not know a married woman in America, especially with kids, who would not look at it that way.
    you seem not to understand what cost means.

    revenue is one thing-cost is another. yes you have less income to spend if your revenue goes down but that does not mean your costs increase.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem not to understand what cost means.

    revenue is one thing-cost is another. yes you have less income to spend if your revenue goes down but that does not mean your costs increase.
    You seem to not understand what everyday people know about money that does or does not go into their pockets.

    I know of no responsible wife in America who would buy that sort of argument that a husband quitting a second job and no longer bringing home 600 a week is NOT costing the family.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You seem to not understand what everyday people know about money that does or does not go into their pockets.

    I know of no responsible wife in America who would buy that sort of argument that a husband quitting a second job and no longer bringing home 600 a week is NOT costing the family.
    I cannot help it is some people are ignorant about terms and confuse things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I cannot help it is some people are ignorant about terms and confuse things.
    So everybody is out of step but you?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So everybody is out of step but you?
    when you can prove you speak for everybody get back to me. appealing to mass ignorance has no merit with me

    we had a thread on this issue and as I recall, there were as many educated people (ie those who know that cutting taxes does not cost the government even if one could prove it DECREASES revenue [which is subject to much debate] ) as there were ignorant ones who think cutting taxes is a COST

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    [...] we had a thread on this issue and as I recall, there were as many educated people (ie those who know that cutting taxes does not cost the government even if one could prove it DECREASES revenue [which is subject to much debate] ) as there were ignorant ones who think cutting taxes is a COST
    Playing with semantics indicates an attempt to obscure the obvious.

    If a tax cut causes gov't revenues decrease then, all other things remaining the same, the budget surplus will decrease or the budget deficit will increase (whichever condition exists prior to the cut).

    The decrease in surplus, if that is the case, is a cost to the gov't. In other words, the tax cut has cost the gov't that lost revenue.

    The increase in deficit, if that is the case, is a cost to the gov't as that increase must be borrowed. Borrowing money is a cost in that it must be repaid (or accounted for, if you like).
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when you can prove you speak for everybody get back to me. appealing to mass ignorance has no merit with me

    we had a thread on this issue and as I recall, there were as many educated people (ie those who know that cutting taxes does not cost the government even if one could prove it DECREASES revenue [which is subject to much debate] ) as there were ignorant ones who think cutting taxes is a COST
    Your argument is a political one based on an ideological extremist belief system that is intent on certain goals and objectives. In order to fight to attain them, it is necessary for you to adopt a certain vocabulary and subscribe to certain neologisms and memes as a right wing warrior.

    Your current posts are but a recent example.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    when you can prove you speak for everybody get back to me. appealing to mass ignorance has no merit with me

    we had a thread on this issue and as I recall, there were as many educated people (ie those who know that cutting taxes does not cost the government even if one could prove it DECREASES revenue [which is subject to much debate] ) as there were ignorant ones who think cutting taxes is a COST
    There is no debate...cutting taxs most certainly reduces revenue to the treasury and to say it doesnt is just disengenuous absurdity and teatard rhetoric...
    Bush's tax cuts and His passing the prescription drug plan TO PROTECT big pharmas disgusting USA pricing....is what began all this debt...
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