View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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Thread: They did it on purpose

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, they're not. Tax cuts allow people to keep their money, that they earned by their own efforts. A government handout is money that is taken from one person's pocket, who actually earned the money and giving it to someone else, who didn't do **** for it.
    No, taxes are your contribution to pay for the services the state offers you (and you have had a say in establishing these services, by participating in the free political process). Enjoying public service, but refusing to pay for it, is theft, plain and simple. You get something, but refuse to pay for it.

    So when you are part of the government, and you cut taxes, although you know the government cannot really afford to miss these revenues, it's a populist means to buy votes, just like giving handouts and subsidies.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    ...The bottom line, is that the Libbos have been claiming that tax cuts don't work, the facts tell a much different story.
    revenue date from 2000-2008 paints a very different picture.

    Bush's tax-cuts grew revenue by 28%, which sucks compared to Clinton's 75% with tax-increases.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It shot up because of spending, not because of tax cuts. Tax cuts have nothing to do with deficit spending.
    sure thing ... and if you worked only half the hours you do , that drop in income would have nothing to do with that either.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    This is a can that both parties got a sigh of relief from when they kicked it down the road. The only mystery now is who can spin it to their advantage for the general election next year.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    No, taxes are your contribution to pay for the services the state offers you (and you have had a say in establishing these services, by participating in the free political process). Enjoying public service, but refusing to pay for it, is theft, plain and simple. You get something, but refuse to pay for it.

    So when you are part of the government, and you cut taxes, although you know the government cannot really afford to miss these revenues, it's a populist means to buy votes, just like giving handouts and subsidies.
    So, everyone who uses government services and doesn't pay for it, is stealing?

    Look, Thunder liked your post, he must think that 47% of the country are thieves, too.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    revenue date from 2000-2008 paints a very different picture.

    Bush's tax-cuts grew revenue by 28%, which sucks compared to Clinton's 75% with tax-increases.
    Is it possible for you understand that Bush had a larger baseline to start with, than Clinton did and how that effects the numbers game you're trying to play?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    sure thing ... and if you worked only half the hours you do , that drop in income would have nothing to do with that either.
    Which means, I would have to cut my spending.

    Don't worry, you'll catch on eventually.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, everyone who uses government services and doesn't pay for it, is stealing?

    Look, Thunder liked your post, he must think that 47% of the country are thieves, too.
    Let me put it this way: 1.) You need a state that provides certain services. 2.) These services cost something. Someone has to pay for it. 3.) Most will agree that those who use the services, shall pay for it.

    Which services shall be established, how exactly they look like, and who has to pay how much of it, is open for the free, democratic political process to determine. When this process is legitimate, you are bound to its decisions, as you are part of it. Most people believe an open, free, democratic political process is legitimate.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Are you sure you want to use a graph that includes two years of Libbo ownership of the government?
    Yes, because that is just another brain dead right wing talking point; it convinces no one of any intelligence or modicum of knowledge about the situation. Limbaugh fans no doubt eat it up, but I'm not interested in trying to present an argument to figurative intellectual turnips.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Let me put it this way: 1.) You need a state that provides certain services. 2.) These services cost something. Someone has to pay for it. 3.) Most will agree that those who use the services, shall pay for it.

    Which services shall be established, how exactly they look like, and who has to pay how much of it, is open for the free, democratic political process to determine. When this process is legitimate, you are bound to its decisions, as you are part of it. Most people believe an open, free, democratic political process is legitimate.
    You're preaching to the choir, pard. At no time did I suggest that we should abolish taxes. I don't even know where you're going with this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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