View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, nor does any one claim that. However, cutting spending also will have a negative effect on the economy, the deeper the cut, the more negative the effect. And of course getting both sides to agree what is wasteful is not going to happen easily. Let me give you an example: how much of our military spending is wasteful? Some of it certainly is. But how much?
    Well, as you said, not all tax increases are equal. In the same way, government spending cuts are far less harmful to the economy than tax increases on job creators. The government doesn't innovate, they rarely build new things except when we are at war or in a space race, and they don't provide goods and services that people want or need at prices they are willing to pay. So tax hikes are more harmful than spending cuts. Why not cut spending as much as possible first, and then move on to more harmful tax hikes if necessary?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Well, as you said, not all tax increases are equal. In the same way, government spending cuts are far less harmful to the economy than tax increases on job creators. The government doesn't innovate, they rarely build new things except when we are at war or in a space race, and they don't provide goods and services that people want or need at prices they are willing to pay. So tax hikes are more harmful than spending cuts. Why not cut spending as much as possible first, and then move on to more harmful tax hikes if necessary?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The government does not innovate? Tell that to NASA.
    Go back and read what I said.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Standard & Poors said that the best solution to our debt problem over a ten-year period, was a 3 to 1 approach.

    $3 trillion in spending cuts + $1 trillion in more revenue.

    its a good plan. it makes sense. its fair.

    Obama and Boehner almost agreed to such a plan.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Here is my theory:
    Democrats never wanted the super-committee to succeed. They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid, it is also a non-starter. But what have they lost? Now military spending has to be cut and they don't have to take responsibility for it.

    What about Medicare cuts? Those cuts are to Medicare providers. Not only do Democrats not care about Medicare provider doctors, but they view this as a way to continue to destroy our healthcare system so that they can implement single payer.

    But the best part for Dems on the super-committee failure is that Obama can run against a do-nothing congress in 2012. His biggest hope for re-election is that congress will have a lower approval rating and he can try to identify congress as Republicans, even though Reid still controls the senate where bills go to die.

    As if to prove my point, Obama has sworn to veto any attempt by Congress to stop these draconian cuts to military and provider payments. The committee failure is all part of Obama/Biden 2012.

    What do you think?
    Anyone who sat in that room and wasn't willing to put both tax increases and spending cuts on the table was a saboteur. Sad to say, I think it is the fault of Republicans, pure and simple. They wouldn't budge on tax increases. Might as well have gone on vacation.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Anyone who sat in that room and wasn't willing to put both tax increases and spending cuts on the table was a saboteur. Sad to say, I think it is the fault of Republicans, pure and simple. They wouldn't budge on tax increases. Might as well have gone on vacation.

    I voted "Bi-partisan Failure." I voted wrong.
    indeed, the only way to have made a plan...was to allow for large spending cuts AND additional revenue through closing tax-loopholes & or higher tax-rates for the wealthy.

    if you werent willing to accept one of these two possibilities...then you did not belong in this committee.

    however, I hear that some of the Republicans were 100% against ANY extra revenue of any kind. why in God's name were they on this committee?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Anyone who sat in that room and wasn't willing to put both tax increases and spending cuts on the table was a saboteur. Sad to say, I think it is the fault of Republicans, pure and simple. They wouldn't budge on tax increases. Might as well have gone on vacation.

    I voted "Bi-partisan Failure." I voted wrong.
    why couldn't there just be spending cuts to start with? bipartisan means the GOP cuts stuff they like (military) and the dems cut stuff they like (social spending and handouts). why should anyone want tax hikes until the government can prove they can live with less. why should any of us have even more income taken from us by a bloated government?



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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Before we answer this (loaded) question, we should determine if the GOPs on the committee cheated on their wives on purpose.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why couldn't there just be spending cuts to start with? bipartisan means the GOP cuts stuff they like (military) and the dems cut stuff they like (social spending and handouts). why should anyone want tax hikes until the government can prove they can live with less. why should any of us have even more income taken from us by a bloated government?
    Standard & Poor's felt a 3 to 1 plan of spending cuts/revenue increases of $4 trillion over 10 years, was the best way to do it.

    what say you?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Here is my theory:
    Democrats never wanted the super-committee to succeed. They came to the table with over a trillion in tax hikes in a recession, which not only is absolutely stupid, it is also a non-starter. But what have they lost? Now military spending has to be cut and they don't have to take responsibility for it.
    Republicans never wanted it to succeed either. In their zeal to protect rich people from tax cuts, they will end up raising everyone's taxes when the tax cuts expire. No responsibility.

    I take it you don't want to see military cuts. That's fair, but how do you propose to go after government spending without going after one of the largest beneficiaries of that spending? We'll never be able to fund the spending priorities of either party without raising taxes. If we're going to play favorites on spending, that is.


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