View Poll Results: Did Democrats cause the super committee to fail on purpose?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You didn't get my point. The income and wealth derived from those cuts in the 90s and 2000s is still there. Why isn't it being used to hire folks NOW? Because there's more to the economy than just being a function of how much cash business have on hand.
    he did get your point. it just happened that your point that increased investment didn't mean increased business was incorrect. The question isn't "will rich folks increase their demand because their income has increased" - that's looking at the process backwards. The question is "has the incentive for investing in the American economy increased". Seek Ye First A Proper Incentive Structure, And All Those Things Shall Be Added Unto Thee.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    here's an idea - let's stop making monies paid to state and local taxes tax free. There is no particular reason why the people of Indiana should subsidize the profligacy of the people of California.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Here is an important question for Democrats. You are looking for painless taxes that will have the least effect on the economy, but will hit the top 1% and make them pay their fair share, right? Why aren't you clamoring for an Entertainers, Artists, Actors and Sports tax on people who make more than $250,000 a year and are not employers. Wouldn't that make sense? Tax Chris Matthews, Jon Stewart, Alec Baldwin, Michael Moore, George Clooney, etc. How come that idea hasn't hit the Democrat talking points? They are all easily in the top 1%, and they don't employ large groups of people or produce goods and services that cause additional economic growth.
    14th Amendment (unconstitutional to single out subsets of select groups).

    And rich people are not significant employers, nor job creators. The more the right plays that dim-witted talking point, the stupider they collectively paint themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl View Post
    14th Amendment (unconstitutional to single out subsets of select groups).

    And rich people are not significant employers, nor job creators. The more the right plays that dim-witted talking point, the stupider they collectively paint themselves.
    Whoa, wait a minute! Then how do we justify a progressive tax system that taxes people different amounts if they make higher wages, or one that taxes people different amounts depending on how they make their money? What about deductions for specific groups (homeowners, people who give to charity, etc). Didn't you just rule out everything but a flat tax?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Well, it's like you're saying in order to fix a broken leg we need to cut it off, but you'll compromise with me by putting a cast on half and cutting the other half off. Sorry, some things deserve an extreme position. As long as the government is spending too much, we shouldn't raise taxes. That's stupid. Once we get spending under control, if we still can't pay the bills then raise taxes.
    Never said that. This is this. This isn't something else. This is this.

    There are two sides to a budget. Let us deal with both together.

    Extremists who only look at one side and take an all or nothing position would destroy this nation.
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Never said that. This is this. This isn't something else. This is this.

    There are two sides to a budget. Let us deal with both together.

    Extremists who only look at one side and take an all or nothing position would destroy this nation.
    Ok, let's try again. Let's say you are writing your family budget. You work 80 hours a week, but can't afford the payment on your Lexus. Do you buy a used car instead? Or lease a Camry and take on another 20 hour a week part time job?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Never said that. This is this. This isn't something else. This is this.

    There are two sides to a budget. Let us deal with both together.
    Agreed. how about $500 Bn in revenue (tilted towards upper income earners) for $700 Bn in spending cuts?

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Ok, let's try again. Let's say you are writing your family budget. You work 80 hours a week, but can't afford the payment on your Lexus. Do you buy a used car instead? Or lease a Camry and take on another 20 hour a week part time job?
    After all, there are two sides to a budget. Shouldn't you deal with both?
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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Whoa, wait a minute! Then how do we justify a progressive tax system [...]
    By educating ourselves. Google "equal protection under the law" and give it a try.

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    Re: They did it on purpose

    Quote Originally Posted by friday View Post
    Ok, let's try again. Let's say you are writing your family budget. You work 80 hours a week, but can't afford the payment on your Lexus. Do you buy a used car instead? Or lease a Camry and take on another 20 hour a week part time job?
    Your example is fatally flawed resulting in a really bad premise. If I am already working 80 hours a week, it leaves no time for much else other than sleep and eating doesn't it. But that is not the situation we find ourselves in.

    We cut taxes in 2001 and again in 2003 and the result was debt debt and more debt. To use your line of thinking on this - we had two jobs but decided to give up one and now we cannot understand why our finances are in shambles.

    After all, there are two sides to a budget. Shouldn't you deal with both?
    Yes. And to avoid the swampy morass of politics, let us deal with both equally on a one to one basis with cuts across the board on discretionary spending and increases across the board hitting all taxpayers equally after we end all preferential loopholes and discriminatory treatment.

    There is your true compromise.
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