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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You got some documentation to support that? Because the Libbos have been wetting their pants for months, over this; it would be a huge relief to find out they simply misunderstood all this time.
    Read the actual decision for one thing:

    CITIZENS UNITED v. FEDERAL ELECTION COMM’N

    Here's a good article that explains it:

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And also the truth.



    No, it would leave the rich the only ones with money to spend (on their own campaigns). Oops.
    Not if in addition laws were added that only allowed a delegate to spend X amount of money on a campaign and to receive X amount of money (equal) from each person or organization... that will never happen though, it would create equality amongst the people and the rich would lose their power.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by FilmFestGuy View Post
    I answered no, but for different reasons:

    As long as campaign finance laws are applied equally to a corporation or a union then I'm fine with it.

    I.E. - if I, Brian, can only contribute $2,500 to a campaign - then Bank of America or the AFL-CIO should also only be able to donate $2,500 to a campaign - and that would include any "soft" support (i.e. - commercials, etc.).
    That's true now.

    Unions and corporations are banned from giving. They can sponsor PACs that get money voluntarily from their members/shareholders, and use that money to give. Both are subject to the same limits - $5,000 per election.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Why stop there? Why should they be beholden to rich individuals who can afford to give money?

    In fact, what happens is that those of us without much money can pool it by giving it to a group and give it to a candidate so it helps them compete, and without having to go raise it from each one of us.
    Those groups should be outlawed then. Individuals directly donate. All donations have a cap amount. Make the cap low so that all people have a chance. Make the candidates run on a limited budget. 50 million or so. Why not? No reason why not. Won't happen though... to many will lose too much.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No, in your example, you paid for votes.



    About 60-75% of campaign money comes from individuals, not groups. And the groups support candidates on all sides. And the voters can choose anyone they want, not just the ones they see on TV. They have the choice. If it takes money to get elected, that's because of the voters.
    It depends on what office you are running for. The first time almost anybody runs for a local or state office like council, mayor, state rep or state senator, they pretty much have to follow what is called D&D - dollars and doors. And to get the dollars you have to follow the F&F plan - friends and family. In the political consulting business, this is gospel and rarely changes with the candidate unless they are wealthy and have the capability of self financing.... and then its merely one D - for doors.

    It takes money to get your message out. It takes time and energy to work the doors to meet the voters. Without that, very rarely do you win barring some special circumstances like being a local celebrity who already has high name recognition.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    I don't understand how corporations are allowed now to contribute moneys when they are globally bound in the present, which in essence creates foreign countries moneys to flow in through corporate donations from all over the world influencing the U.S. elections, I don't want china to sink cash into our political arena, think about it.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Not if in addition laws were added that only allowed a delegate to spend X amount of money on a campaign and to receive X amount of money (equal) from each person or organization... that will never happen though, it would create equality amongst the people and the rich would lose their power.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by barbarian_style View Post
    I don't understand how corporations are allowed now to contribute moneys when they are globally bound in the present, which in essence creates foreign countries moneys to flow in through corporate donations from all over the world influencing the U.S. elections, I don't want china to sink cash into our political arena, think about it.
    Corporations aren't allowed to contribute to candidates. They can sponsor PACs that do, with voluntarily-collected money from individuals.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It depends on what office you are running for. The first time almost anybody runs for a local or state office like council, mayor, state rep or state senator, they pretty much have to follow what is called D&D - dollars and doors. And to get the dollars you have to follow the F&F plan - friends and family. In the political consulting business, this is gospel and rarely changes with the candidate unless they are wealthy and have the capability of self financing.... and then its merely one D - for doors.

    It takes money to get your message out. It takes time and energy to work the doors to meet the voters. Without that, very rarely do you win barring some special circumstances like being a local celebrity who already has high name recognition.
    Sure. F&F - no corporations or unions or whatever in there.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    No, I would go the other way. I would support an amendment prohibiting government contributions to corporations or unions. You do that and the corporation and union payments to the government will dry up real quick.
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