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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Please tell me you are not so naive as to think money does not influence elections?
    of course money influences elections... that's the reason I donate to candidates.... oh i'm sorry, i forgot to word it in the modern liberal fashion.... I meant to say "that's why I bribe candidates"..'cuz we all know that donations are just bribes.. amirite?

    money doesn't choose your leaders though... votes do.
    you have the personal choice whether to be influenced or not, by any ad or campaign.

    my problem with all this campaign finance reform bullsh*t is that you people are still stuck in this tiny tyrannical box of banning money that is freely given... when you should , at the very least, entertain limiting the candidates and politicians themselves by limiting their expenditures and mandating all the extra cash they may have to go into the general account....i don't care if they are given a gazillion bucks by every corporation or union on the planet... if you say they can only spend 5 million, you'll effectively limit donations as well... but it will be the choice of the donators, and not by mandate.

    of course everyone else can spend whatever they like on electioneering media... 'cuz, well, the 1st amendment applies to political speech, whether you like it or not.

    I know that all sounds crazy and extreme, but i'm not a fan of the repeated call, mostly by liberals, to ban everything under the sun they don't agree with... I grow weary of your anti-freedom, illiberal, positions.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Proving money doesn't always mean an election win. It was damned close. Only the fact that this is a blue state kept it from happening. What is proveable is that she bought herself the GOP candicy, so yeah, money buys elections.
    no money doesn't buy elections.... money gets your campaign advertising.

    elections are decided by votes, and unless you and others here are going to admit that your vote was bought and paid for, we can't say the election was bought.

    I wish i would get paid for my vote, but i haven't found a way to have that happen yet and i was too late to get on-board with ACORN

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    no money doesn't buy elections.... money gets your campaign advertising.

    elections are decided by votes, and unless you and others here are going to admit that your vote was bought and paid for, we can't say the election was bought.

    I wish i would get paid for my vote, but i haven't found a way to have that happen yet and i was too late to get on-board with ACORN


    Y'know I love ya', Thrilla, and you know I'm not a liberal... but I just disagree on this. I know what SCOTUS has ruled, I know that freedom of speech covers the right to buy congressional seats... and I've lived long enough to see what the practice has wrought. It's gotta change, and it will change. I won't live to see it, but government is broken and money is at the root of the corruption. Campaign contributions are just the beginning. Follow the money, the stench will follow.

    Anyway, good night, hon, and have a great Thanksgiving! *hug*

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post


    Y'know I love ya', Thrilla, and you know I'm not a liberal... but I just disagree on this. I know what SCOTUS has ruled, I know that freedom of speech covers the right to buy congressional seats... and I've lived long enough to see what the practice has wrought. It's gotta change, and it will change. I won't live to see it, but government is broken and money is at the root of the corruption. Campaign contributions are just the beginning. Follow the money, the stench will follow.

    Anyway, good night, hon, and have a great Thanksgiving! *hug*
    we can disagree til the cows come home... and i'll still luv ya babe

    I think we both have the same problem in mind.. but I think we disagree on how to combat it... and in some cases, whether to combat it or not.
    i'm not for limiting the private sector, i'm for limiting the candidates and the politicians.

    I really don't care what limits you put on politicians and candidates... but i do care when we start taking on the 1st amendment head on.. i have a big problem with that.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    of course money influences elections... that's the reason I donate to candidates.... oh i'm sorry, i forgot to word it in the modern liberal fashion.... I meant to say "that's why I bribe candidates"..'cuz we all know that donations are just bribes.. amirite?

    money doesn't choose your leaders though... votes do.
    you have the personal choice whether to be influenced or not, by any ad or campaign.

    my problem with all this campaign finance reform bullsh*t is that you people are still stuck in this tiny tyrannical box of banning money that is freely given... when you should , at the very least, entertain limiting the candidates and politicians themselves by limiting their expenditures and mandating all the extra cash they may have to go into the general account....i don't care if they are given a gazillion bucks by every corporation or union on the planet... if you say they can only spend 5 million, you'll effectively limit donations as well... but it will be the choice of the donators, and not by mandate.

    of course everyone else can spend whatever they like on electioneering media... 'cuz, well, the 1st amendment applies to political speech, whether you like it or not.

    I know that all sounds crazy and extreme, but i'm not a fan of the repeated call, mostly by liberals, to ban everything under the sun they don't agree with... I grow weary of your anti-freedom, illiberal, positions.

    Even if you are OK with our leaders being chosen by the highest bidder, the majority of Americans do not seem to be OK with it! The practice also pretty much rules out third party candidates competing equally, leaving our choices between just the two parties, which (sarcasm on) has served us so well (sarcasm off).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Money is one of the biggest problems in politics right now, eliminating that to a big extent would greatly help our political process IMO, and would gladly support that my taxpayer dollars go to that. And really in America, 10-15 million isn't all that much.
    That's not eliminating it, it's just changing it from voluntary to mandatory.

    The money is still there and the amount can be levied by Congress.
    They tend to be pretty generous with themselves and public money.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    money doesn't choose your leaders though... votes do.
    you have the personal choice whether to be influenced or not, by any ad or campaign.
    This.

    Thank you for having respect for the voters instead of thinking they are children who need the government's protection from speech.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Even if you are OK with our leaders being chosen by the highest bidder, the majority of Americans do not seem to be OK with it!
    No, the majority of Americans are perfectly happy with it. They keep going to the polls and voting for those who spend the most money. And they are the ones choosing.

    If Americans don't like it, they can simply stop voting for these people.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I know what SCOTUS has ruled, I know that freedom of speech covers the right to buy congressional seats... and I've lived long enough to see what the practice has wrought. It's gotta change, and it will change.
    If the people want to stop seats from being "bought" they should simply stop selling them.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I want public regulations that prevent anonymous corporations from choosing our leaders for us.
    Last time I checked, the voters chose our leaders.

    Take responsibility, stop blaming your problems on someone else.
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