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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You want the government to have complete control of election funding?
    Yes, I want public regulations that prevent anonymous corporations from choosing our leaders for us.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am not so hot on the public funds thingy. I am not that familiar with t either. But on its face, it sounds like a bad idea. I am open to changing my mind.

    I would be comfortable with funding solely from the donations of individuals.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am not so hot on the public funds thingy. I am not that familiar with t either. But on its face, it sounds like a bad idea. I am open to changing my mind.

    I would be comfortable with funding solely from the donations of individuals.
    I'm not, because we've already seen that buying our representatives comes with strings attached. A lot of people have a lot of money to buy a lot of power and influence. However, if every candidate received public funding in equal amounts, along with a strong and frequent batch of public debates... tv ads forbidden... then we would actually have a government of the people, instead of the "best government money can buy."

    As it stands, rich people can buy their own congressional or senatoral seats, or even the governorship! California's top job was almost purchased by Meg Witman, a totally unqualified individual with credentials of already running two huge corporations into bankruptcy.

    Not acceptable.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I'm not, because we've already seen that buying our representatives comes with strings attached. A lot of people have a lot of money to buy a lot of power and influence. However, if every candidate received public funding in equal amounts, along with a strong and frequent batch of public debates... tv ads forbidden... then we would actually have a government of the people, instead of the "best government money can buy."

    As it stands, rich people can buy their own congressional or senatoral seats, or even the governorship! California's top job was almost purchased by Meg Witman, a totally unqualified individual with credentials of already running two huge corporations into bankruptcy.

    Not acceptable.
    key word: almost.

    proving money doesn't mean an election win.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Yes, I want public regulations that prevent anonymous corporations from choosing our leaders for us.
    well, you are really going to enjoy my next fact...

    corporations can't vote.

    your wish has come true

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Corporations and Unions are not a person. Yes I would vote for it.

    To bad they would just as quickly find a way around it not matter how it was worded.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, you are really going to enjoy my next fact...

    corporations can't vote.

    your wish has come true
    But they do give millions of dollars to officials to get them elected. Then to keep the money coming the officials give favors by passing legislation that are of no interest to the people, just the corporation and/or unions who contribute.

    It's bull****.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    well, you are really going to enjoy my next fact...

    corporations can't vote.

    your wish has come true
    Please tell me you are not so naive as to think money does not influence elections?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla, replying to another View Post
    well, you are really going to enjoy my next fact...

    corporations can't vote.

    your wish has come true
    Since a machine programmed and provided by a corporation counts the votes, I say they don't need to vote.

    "The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything." -- Josef Stalin (loose translation)

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    key word: almost.

    proving money doesn't mean an election win.
    Proving money doesn't always mean an election win. It was damned close. Only the fact that this is a blue state kept it from happening. What is proveable is that she bought herself the GOP candicy, so yeah, money buys elections.

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