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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    My point is that the 1st Amendment does not mention money only the right to petition.
    And my point - again - is that lobbying does not mean giving money. It is simply petitioning. If you don't like the fact that money is involved in lobbying, criticize that. Don't say all lobbying is bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    What made it illegal for Pakistan to Lobby? It wasnt the actual Lobbying practice that was illegal, instead it was the fact that Pakistan was doing it without declaring that they were.
    Well, and the illegal donations. But yeah, they have to register as a foreign agent. So what? What's your point?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I don't want to live in a country where the press is barred from discussing politics.
    But it's just not fair! Everyone should have an equal voice! 2 minutes of TV air time for every citizen! (I recently had someone actually propose that).
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And my point - again - is that lobbying does not mean giving money. It is simply petitioning. If you don't like the fact that money is involved in lobbying, criticize that. Don't say all lobbying is bad.
    Lobbying is not bad in and of itself. Look, my job is as chief of staff to a State Representative. I deal with lobbyists almost every day I work in the state capital. They can be a valuable source of information, especially in this era of term limits where institutional knowledge is fairly limited. There is nothing inherently bad or evil about them or the job they perform.

    Any citizen who walks in our office is seen by either the Rep or by myself if he is in committee or on the House floor. A lobbyist needs an appointment - a citizen from the district does not need one.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lobbying is not bad in and of itself. Look, my job is as chief of staff to a State Representative. I deal with lobbyists almost every day I work in the state capital. They can be a valuable source of information, especially in this era of term limits where institutional knowledge is fairly limited. There is nothing inherently bad or evil about them or the job they perform. Any citizen who walks in our office is seen by either the Rep or by myself if he is in committee or on the House floor. A lobbyist needs an appointment - a citizen from the district does not need one.
    Thanks for your post!
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You just said you did agree. Which is it?
    Lobbying in it's current form is not as simple as "freedom of speech" and needs to be heavily modified or eliminated in its current form.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    CEO's, etc.



    Because they are non profit
    They dont sway politicians for gains in profits
    When was the last time unions destroyed a financial sector?
    Public employee unions are the primary cause of state/municipal bankruptcies and near-bankruptcies we are now experiencing. California is on the brink of economic collapse, while its public employee unions are the highest paid in the nation. That's the thing with public unions as opposed to private unions. Private unions can see the company's bottom line, and know that when the profit drops to zero everything, including their jobs, go away. Public unions just point to the taxpayers and public management negotiators, who have no dog in the race since they'll get paid no matter what, just shrug and send taxpayers the bill.

    Corporations are not "people"; unions are not "people"; PACs are not "people"; special interest groups are not "people".
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Public employee unions are the primary cause of state/municipal bankruptcies and near-bankruptcies we are now experiencing.
    Completely false.

    Public unions just point to the taxpayers and public management negotiators, who have no dog in the race since they'll get paid no matter what, just shrug and send taxpayers the bill.
    And taxpayers don't care? They don't complain, or vote? Legislators feel no pressure to save money, and have no limits on what they can spend?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    First off, union ARE corporations

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    In practice, the unions would gain an advantage, as there is a per-person donation maximum per recipient, and it might be an enforcement challenge to insure that unions didn't launder donations through individual members, which unions and ad hoc equivalents would have far more of than corporations could recruit.
    Why would this practice be more suited for unions than any other group?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Any organization that's subject to federal income tax should be able to donate money how they see fit.
    Why should fiction be treated the same as human beings?
    And,after that, the real issue is that it breaks the system by bypassing the electorate. It becomes the special interests and the govt working together w/o much need to consult the actual bosses--the electorate.
    I may be wrong.

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