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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    So what? Rights are not conditioned on the purpose of an organization.
    Rights are conditioned on people though. If a group of people wish to speak in one voice then it should choose a leader/s so that the message of the people is not lost in the masses.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boring Bob View Post
    I think we're in need of a law that reduces the overall amount of money going into political campaigns and increases the relative value of individual donations to those campaigns. Restricting corporate and union donations would do both.
    Donations from unions and corporations are already banned. Donations from PACs sponsored by them (using voluntary donations from shareholders, members, etc.) are already limited to $5,000 per election. Citizen's United didn't change that either.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Rights are conditioned on people though. If a group of people wish to speak in one voice then it should choose a leader/s so that the message of the people is not lost in the masses.
    Um, not sure what you mean by leader.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Of course no court would say your car is a person. But that's irrelevant. The SCOTUS did not declare corporations to be persons in Citizens United either. It simply said speech cannot be abridged regardless of the source.
    Which effectively made corporations people. Show me one corporation that can think, and feel beyond the person controlling it.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which effectively made corporations people.
    No it didn't. Just like putting a bumper sticker on your car doesn't make it a person.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Since all corporate or union donations to candidates are ALREADY ILLEGAL and have been for a long long time, and still are after Citizen's United, you don't have much of a point. The only source of money for campaigns is PACs (which can be sponsored by unions and corporations but can't use their money - they have to get voluntary donations from members, shareholders, etc) or individuals or parties.
    If I don't have a point, why do they still receive money from them and why does this poll exist. PC's is a backdoor to the same money, so I'd say you are wrong. Opinions...we are all entitled to them.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Donations from unions and corporations are already banned. Donations from PACs sponsored by them (using voluntary donations from shareholders, members, etc.) are already limited to $5,000 per election. Citizen's United didn't change that either.
    Corporations and unions can independantly fund political messages, which act as an indirect donation to whomever is supported in those messages. In the case of Hillary, for example, an independant organization was attempting to defame a presidential candidate, which would directly benefit Hillary's opponents. The money spent on Hillary is thus effectively a donation to her opponents' campaigns. Now, I don't necessarily have a problem with Citizens United, a non-profit political organization, making a statement like this. I do have a problem with America's major profitable organizations making statements like this.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Lobbying is simply telling Congress what you think. Nothing to do with money. It is protected by the Constitution.

    You have a lobbyist working for you somewhere, and you've probably sent money to one without realizing it, by supporting a group you favor.

    I am disgusted by people who don't understand what lobbying is and are hypocrites who benefit from lobbying yet don't admit it. I hope I know what I think of them too.
    Oh, ding ding ding, did I find a lobbyist? umadbro?

    Listen, you can define it however you want, but a lobbyist today is not some guy writing to Congress. Lobbyists today, for the most part, are slime ball, pieces of ****, who use money and other influences to get legislation passed that otherwise wouldn't. Sugar coat it if you want, but most people know what the job of a lobbyist is, and it is somewhere right below or above being a paparazzi.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Lobbying is not necessarily an evil...
    I think that all groups should be heard...equally.
    Until you can take the money and other kickbacks out of the equation, I disagree. The little guy doesn't get heard in Washington.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by coolwalker View Post
    If I don't have a point, why do they still receive money from them and why does this poll exist. PC's is a backdoor to the same money, so I'd say you are wrong. Opinions...we are all entitled to them.
    They DON'T receive money from them. The poll exists because someone doesn't get that. They do get money from PACs sponsored by them though. That's commonly referred to as money coming from them, but it's not really. A PAC gets voluntary donations from individuals only.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Oh, ding ding ding, did I find a lobbyist? umadbro? Listen, you can define it however you want, but a lobbyist today is not some guy writing to Congress. Lobbyists today, for the most part, are slime ball, pieces of ****, who use money and other influences to get legislation passed that otherwise wouldn't. Sugar coat it if you want, but most people know what the job of a lobbyist is, and it is somewhere right below or above being a paparazzi. Until you can take the money and other kickbacks out of the equation, I disagree. The little guy doesn't get heard in Washington.
    And yet I'm the one who actually knows what I'm talking about, whereas you don't. And you're proof that most people don't know what a lobbyist's real job is. You would be smart to shut your mouth and listen to someone who actually does know, but I don't see that happening. And yeah, the little guy has a lobbyist - I was one of them.
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