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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't have to be "a human being" to have certain rights of a "person". The police can't search your car or house without a warrant because those are an extension of you. In this same way do corporations have free-speech rights because corporations are made up of people.
    A house or car may be extensions of me...but they are not me.

    Bold part: Then those people should donate thier money from personal funds. Just because a corporation is made up of people does not mean that a corporation is a person.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Corporations are people? They are human beings?
    Are groups people? Are unions people? Are social gatherings people? Are organizations people? Are associations people? Or are all of these just lifeless entities controlled by machines and other non-human life forms?

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A house or car may be extensions of me...but they are not me.

    Bold part: Then those people should donate thier money from personal funds. Just because a corporation is made up of people does not mean that a corporation is a person.
    Right, and just because an organization is made of people doesn't give you the right to infringe on the rights of that organization, as a social entity, to speak on behalf of their members.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    A house or car may be extensions of me...but they are not me.
    Okay, but you wouldn't say that you have no freedom of speech that involves your car, like, say, a bumper sticker. It's on your car, but it's still your speech. Or to use your car to drive around with a megaphone and speak your mind. And the people who own or run a corporation or other group can use it too, as much as they can use their personal property or money, to exercise their rights.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    No, because donating money is free speech.
    Nobody has ever said that.

    SPENDING money on SPEECH is speech.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freedom From al View Post
    I am a "voter" how can I be smarter than myself?
    Exactly my point!
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Great analogy!!! That is exactly what it is like.
    What about when you donate money? What's that like?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Free For All View Post
    Just think 600 million tax dollars used to elect someone.... When we could of used that to save kids or give hand outs to the poor.
    You're kidding right? How would get this money to give away?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    If corporations were not allowed to contribute money to politics then I would have no problem eliminating corporate taxes. As it stands, corporations are treated as individuals and given all the Constitutional protections of individuals, and so if they gave up that power, I would see no reason to tax them.
    Can we put that in the same amendment?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Right, and just because an organization is made of people doesn't give you the right to infringe on the rights of that organization, as a social entity, to speak on behalf of their members.
    An organization or a social entity in the way that you are talking about usually has one common goal directed at something specific, usually some sort of ideology or cause. Like La Raza, or anti-abortion/pro-choice or some such. In such cases everyone that is a part of those organizations agree on one basic principle. Why? Because each member of those types of organizations joined that organization for that specific purpose. As such it is logical that one or a few people speak for the whole.

    A corporation however has no such common goals. The ones that control the corporation does not ask Joe Blow that works in the mail department what ideas he may have or what politician he supports and no corporation requires any of thier employees to follow any specific credo. The only reason that people are a part of any corporation is to make money, not to be supporters or non-supporters to an ideaology.

    As such comparing the two is like comparing a human to a rock.
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