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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Unbelievable.

    You actually think a law banning the payment of lawyers or abortion doctors would be constitutional.

    Seriously, think about that.
    That is not what I said nor what I meant... not even close.

    I even make a distinction as to why I don't think that... read it again.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Basically, I voted "Yes", not because I believe an amendment to the constitution is required, but because a law barring corporations and unions from pumping money into elections IS required.
    Since current law already forbids it, why?

    Campaign contributions are nothing more than legal bribery
    So you've never given to a campaign? What about the millions of people who have?

    I haven't read the rest of the thread... don't have to because I know exactly how I feel about this issue
    That's exactly why you really ought to read the thread.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    That is not what I said nor what I meant... not even close.
    Sure you did. You said lawyers can work pro bono and doctors can work for free.

    Are you saying you agree those hypothetical laws I cited would indeed be unconstitutional?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    exactly....

    I understand the fear and loathing over lobbyists... it's something that is pushed on us nowadays .. " evil lobbyists"... but I do not share in that fear or loathing, I find it absolutely absurd.
    lobbyists do a ton of work for me and my issues through my memberships in differing organizations...and I certainly won't throw out the baby with the bathwater.... it's a very good baby, and the bathwater ain't too shabby either.
    All the major groups working for huge changes in campaign finance, ethics, etc. - Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, Public Citizen, Common Cause, U.S PIRG, etc. - all employ...lobbyists. To get that other stuff done.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    superficial?.... are you f*cking kidding me?
    Not in the slightest...

    it's not my problem you won't entertain anything beyond your talking points dude....
    I know. All you have are talking points.

    i'be had this debate hundreds or times...if you want to go at it, fine... just leave the memes and talking points to talking heads and other morons.
    This is why debating you would be a joke... and if you want to call me names at least be a man about it and do it for real. A real man would just take his infraction and shrug it off instead of making sissy veiled insults.

    I have centuries worth of precedents and reasoning to back my arguments.. i have the very basis for common law to back my position.. you wanna offer up a debate, go for it, but you had better open your mind to being wrong.
    I am always open to being wrong... I doubt that you have this ability though. Too bad that you are simply unable to blast me with just the tiniest bit of your superior knowledge in the first place, clearly showing how and why my point or comment is nothing more than a "talking point". It should be so easy, yet here we see you, wallowing away with ad homs and other fallicious positions.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sure you did. You said lawyers can work pro bono and doctors can work for free.

    Are you saying you agree those hypothetical laws I cited would indeed be unconstitutional?
    "Can" is "must" in your world? WTF? I did not say anything close to your misunderstanding... it is not my fault that you can't comprehend what you read.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    "Can" is "must" in your world? WTF? I did not say anything close to your misunderstanding... it is not my fault that you can't comprehend what you read.
    Fine. Explain what you mean then, plainly. Do you believe the hypothetical laws I proposed would be constitutional or not?
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Fine. Explain what you mean then, plainly. Do you believe the hypothetical laws I proposed would be constitutional or not?
    A law making payment to a person for a service "illegal"? I don't think that anything like that is covered in the Constitution, so it would not be UnConstitutional.

    Lobbying is different though... Lobbying is one of the few jobs that leads directly to public policy affecting the nation by influencing a panel, nothing else is close.
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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thrilla View Post
    I absolutely adore some special interest groups, and i'd be willing to wager big bucks that you do too.
    Adoring what some groups stand for and wanting them to bribe congress are two different things. A lobbyist is not by definition a bad thing. A lobbyist that can use promises of campaign cash in return for favors, even favors I might benefit from, IS a bad thing.

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    Re: Would you support an amendment barring corporate and union money from elections?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    A law making payment to a person for a service "illegal"? I don't think that anything like that is covered in the Constitution, so it would not be UnConstitutional.
    Awesome!

    Lobbying is different though... Lobbying is one of the few jobs that leads directly to public policy affecting the nation by influencing a panel, nothing else is close.
    Um, false. Speech does the same thing. Not that it matters. Lobbying is a right, so spending money on it is a right.

    And we were talking about speech anyway, not lobbying. Whatever. No difference.

    So you agree that a restriction on spending on a right would be an unconstitutional restriction on that right. Which is obvious. Thanks.
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